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> The CF web interface does not do a great job

At anything. To say nothing of the godawful expression language in yaml, so CF is bad UX at pretty much every level. Even ops, the thing it’s made for, is excruciating: I just want to see deployment progress per-resource so I can see what’s stuck, and maybe in some distant joyous future, why.

Any amount of evolving would require a lot of breaking changes to rearchitect and not be bogged down by keeping compatibility. I think they should make a v2 and sunset v1 and not keep any old compatibility.

There are a lot of pitfalls in CF. A lot of lessons you have to learn the hard way.

I’ve had the same experience with TF and Ansible with the added bonus of having to pay out the nose for the privilege.