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Antarctica's winter is now 50F hotter than it used to be

cnn.com

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The editorialized title "Antarctica's winter is now 50F hotter than it used to be" is extremely misleading. The "winter" is not 50 degF hotter than "it used to be", portions of East Antarctica are "up to" 50 degF hotter right now than they usually are versus the same time in a reference year.

This is a heat wave, which is probably related to climate change, and is worrying of course, but it's not the same as the winters in Antarctica somehow being 50 degrees higher than they used to.

Original title: ‘Astonishing’ Antarctica heat wave sends temperatures 50 degrees above normal

In the graphic they also define climatology mean temperature as "what the temperature should be" which is horribly wrong.

We are also at the peak of the current solar cycle. We still got a couple of years left of the high before heading back down.

https://earthsky.org/sun/sun-news-activity-solar-flare-cme-a...

NASA states that solar magnetic field and related sunspot numbers have nothing to do with earth based mean temperature change:

Is the Sun causing global warming?

https://science.nasa.gov/climate-change/faq/is-the-sun-causi...

Why Variations in Earth’s Magnetic Field Aren’t Causing Today’s Climate Change

https://science.nasa.gov/science-research/earth-science/flip...

Your comment appears to based on some kind of psuedo scientific misunderstanding.

Another cool timeline https://www.newsweek.com/heres-how-hot-last-100-summers-have...

A record-breaking heat wave unfolding at what should be the coldest time in Earth’s coldest place has scientists concerned about what it could mean for the future health of the Antarctic continent, and the consequences it could inflict for millions of people across the globe.

In the grand scheme of things, aren't we being overly concerned about a potential blip?

I don't want to minimise this, but some people are becoming hysterical, leading to ideas like blocking the sun or taxing everyone to fund various greenwashing vanity projects.

Such click-baits don't help.

Well then, in your opinion, when is the time to actually become concerned about it?

If continuous gradual increases aren't it, and larger outlier events aren't it - what's left? Frequent medium increases? Because we're seeing those too.

I ask genuinely, from your perspective, when is the time to become concerned about it?

The time window we are looking at is too small to draw any sensible conclusions and nature is constantly adapting to the climate changes.

What time window would be appropriate to draw conclusions, in your opinion?

To me, "click bait" implies that the article is less interesting than the headline, especially when the headline is misleading. That's not the case here. The headline is a simple fact, and the context justifies it.

As the article points out, this "blip" is less than another data point two years ago. At some point you have to stop pretending you don't see a pattern.

We don't need green washing vanity projects. We need a national and global plan to reduce fossil fuel use. Fast. Faster than it would have been if we'd started decades ago, when both theory and data were already evident, and people started dismissing everything as a "blip" rather than do something.

We can't get anything done while large numbers of people keep denying the basic reality of the data and the basic chemistry and physics that explains it.

It's amazing how gladly people are willing to write off existential threats & badmouth & insult those who talk to the high risk situations.

> Such click-baits don't help

You don't help. Not at all.

We should probably start blocking the in and taxing everyone for actual green efforts. The traitors to the species telling us to disregard information & stay the course should probably be gagged & ostracized from society, so that the planet has a chance.

Thawing the arctic methane permafrost was a great idea it seems.

It is not that it could trigger a chain reaction resulting in a extinction event or something.

Oh wait, we are already in a extinction event, nevermind.

I think we need to try some form of renewable energy, like hydro power to fix this. First, we flood an area and turn all the biomass into methane... oh wait, that doesn't work either.

Maybe making every vehicle electric and then connecting them to an electric grid powered by natural gas and coal and driving them around for no reason so that tires produce millions of microplastic particles will surely remediate this.

I wonder what else can I do? Certainly working at an office, consuming a bunch of things I don't need, buying imported goods that use excessive packaging, throwing away food all the time, preferring refrigerated food over non-refrigerated food, preferring food that requires vast amounts of water and soil and traveling around the world in planes that have a carbon footprint equivalent to burning my trash for the entire year cannot possibly be good starting points to consider reducing my environmental impact. That would go against my positive self-reassuring mindset that I learned from TikTok.

Ah, but the economists say all those things are related to externalities so it's all good. We need to keep growing the economy and worry about those later. Helping humans become more prosper and multiply more will certainly mitigate the effects of humans becoming more prosper and multiplying. We are the most intelligent species for sure! Doubling our population at shortening intervals is a great idea and totally sustainable, there is nothing possibly wrong with that at all and our economic activities have no connection with what is happening to the environment!

The solution could be Terraforming other planets because we have been successful Marsforming Earth!

Pure poetry. Loved it. Hits the nail right on the head

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50F = 10C

That's not how that works. It's 50 degrees hotter not 50 degrees as the temperature. Celsius goes up at a rate of 5/9 what fahrenheit does so it's about 28 degrees Celsius.