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AI = IP thieves

I don't think they're going to donate...

The irony is that as indicated in the comments it's far more easy to just download the data dump for the whole planet. It's 70-ish GB right now.

If their scraper is sufficiently diligent, they will also download the data dump. The ultimate hope is that when the AI wakes up, it will realize that its training data has both a fragmented dataset and also a giant tarball, and delete the fragments. This sounds like one of those situations where people prefer amortized cost analysis to avoid looking like fools.

People just don't know any better.

If.

(unfortunately the historical example is poor, since Philip II proved both able and willing to make it happen, whereas AI has no demonstration of a path to utility)

Wow, y'all don't recognize parody. I really laid it on thick there, even calling the perpetrators of this madness fools, and still, whoosh. Hopeless.

Poe's Law.

Given the massive destruction currently being done eagerly, I dare not ever assume parody.

I mean is it though? Even before gpt4 llm's existed....and not just from openAI.

I get not liking crawling and I hate openAI for how they ruined the term open source, but this is not new.

Iv had stuff scraped before and iv done web scrapping as well. Hell even excel will help you scrape web data. While some of the increase of training data has helped models like gpt4, its not just a factor of more data.

From my perspective as a small blogger, the general sentiment is yes, web scraping was a thing before the AI boom, but now it is an even bigger and far more careless thing. Just me two cents, though, mostly formed from chatting with other small bloggers about it. I suppose it could be argued that the size of the vehicle does not matter to the roadkill; they still get run over. But it honestly feels like the various AI platforms suddenly made web scraping much, much more fashionable.

Well it's nice to see the whole concept of IP finally collapsing as it should.

that's a little optimistic

Is it really? It's all boils down to powerplay, really. And lately lots of powerful entities, from nations to corporations, seem to be poised on disrupting this institution.

I noticed too that now that the old dinosaur incumbents in various industrial complexes can no longer compete, they want to get rid of non-compete clauses - so they can instead poach talent or at least those who had access to the latest technologies and process of actually innovative companies.

Except it's not collapsing. The only legal changes have been to allow billionaires to do whatever they want whenever they want, and have been made by judges and not legislatively. You're still going to get sued to oblivion.

edit: if we let them, they're just going to merge with the media companies and cross-license to each other.

There is a whole wide world beyond just obsessing over "billionaires" in a tiny us-centric corner of the world.

One could point out China, who totally has so much respect for someone's notion of legality. Or France that had never cared for software patents. Or one could point out good old pirates, who were always relatively successful at giving a middle finger to the notion of "intellectual property". "Billionaires" are simply another straw, peculiar only in the sense that they were the pillar upholding this institution.

And speaking of "not legislatively, but judges": 1. Not every country has a common law legal system 2. Just take a look at Japan's AI legislations.

It's only collapsing for people with money.

It's been collapsing since digital piracy had first appeared. Then perpetuated by countries being elective at what kind of "intellectual property" rights they choose to respect.

"People with money" are a crucial milestone, because they were the ones who were actually actively benefiting from and upholding this institution.

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