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More Than Half of Teslas Are Being Traded in for Gas Cars

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Title is misleading: more than half of Teslas that _are being traded in at dealerships_ are traded in for gas cars.

What is more misleading is that the article shows the trending is going downwards, more people than ever is trading their Teslas for other EVs. The only relevant conclusion seems to be the one in the article: as the offering of EVs from other brands increase, more people opting out of Tesla can stay in the EV market.

Yep, that's exactly it, and the only conclusion you can draw from this misleading article. I've flagged it, I recommend everyone do the same.

Even with the downtrend, is it not interesting that half of customers that trued Tesla went back to gas? Wonder what the broader EV owner stats are… how many try EVs and go back?

IOW, it doesn't count anybody who traded in their Tesla for another Tesla? AFAICT in my experience that's the most common trade.

Wow, what a click-baity misleading headline. Key point is that this number is going down:

"The big news is that more and more people are opting to trade their Teslas for an EV from a legacy automaker"

This might be me in a few years. Tesla stopped being innovative years ago. No surprise, its CEO is high on drugs most of the time and spends his days (and nights) posting childish memes.

FSD is revolutionary. There isn’t anything as good on the market yet. Other than that I agree, their competitors have caught up.

isn't that the one that kills people?

That's a risk that Tesla is willing to have you take.

No, Autopilot is the system with a bunch of deaths. AFAICT FSD only has a single death known, and it doesn't seem like FSD was at fault in that death.

Wait, they gate a safe and functional system behind a $10K upcharge, and ship a killy one if you don’t pony up?

(edit: looks like $99/month now instead of a flat charge?)

Sure, just like every other car maker who ships a cruise control that can kill you if you stop paying attention.

Your post is just as misleading. The ceo is irrelevant and his outward appearance speaks nothing to performance.

The more realistic assessment is that the path of innovation approaches a limit. Tesla was first to market, after that there’s not much left to innovate other than fusion powered cars.

Tesla created the market and they are losing first mover advantage as competitors move in and set up shop. The market is saturating and this is actually expected.

"there’s not much left to innovate"

???

Totally disagree. Just one example: Tesla has only two global mass market models (3+Y). There is plenty of room to innovate on this topic alone. Model 2? Model whatever. Nothing new in years.

You mean planned obsolescence innovation with different but useless designs? They change the shape of the iPhone all the time just to keep it feeling new.

Tesla has been innovating on battery tech. Improving performance, efficiency and staying power instead of working on gimmicky features that are more for marketing.

I sort of wish car makers would stop being innovative. I do like the reliability and safety that modern cars provide but would like fewer bells and whistles. Affordability in both purchasing and maintaining is important to me. Just watching car commercial makes me think the industry is not prioritizing these things.

Clickbait headline. Better headline: “Share of Teslas being traded in for gas cars declined from 71% to 51% in 5 years”

This isn’t bad news, as the second paragraph states, “Back in 2019, a whopping 71% of Teslas were traded in for gas cars, while 18% were traded in for hybrids. Only 10% were traded for another EV.”

Clearly the trend is on the rise for BEV. As a minor story, I was riding back from the airport in a Lyft, a Kia Nero, 220 mile range. I asked the driver about it, the thing that sounded the most surprising was the hour to charge to 80%. This is the big issue the US needs to solve. There is ubiquitous petroleum based gas stations, but quality charging stations are not anywhere near as obvious. That needs to change to improve perception of owning a BEV.

We never got another because Elon’s fascist antics made the thought of driving one and being associated with him unbearable. Don’t think we are alone. He severely didn’t understand his user base.

Intentionally alienating your largest customer base is 5D chess.

The weird logic of elon being controversial so this somehow is a good thing

You didn't even try clicking the article. It is a super short article and the data there is very clear. Nothing to do with anyone or anything than some statistical changes over time.

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