Pilots said nothing as Southwest plane flew dangerously low over Tampa Bay
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I'll toss out a theory - there has been a pilot shortage for the last several years. Are corners getting cut on pilot training? Incompetence explains a lot. This is a really baffling incident to me on its face and reading some takes from aviation experts it seems like I am not the only one that thinks so.
What might have happened is that due to the poor weather they thought they were closer to the airport, or they weren't closely following their glide path, or the aircraft was misconfigured for the RNAV approach. Perhaps a combination of the three.
That said, TAWS won't fire if you're below airspace-mandated altitude but above "minimally safe" altitude.
In which case, the terrain warnings would be the standard "you're landing, idiot" noises which wouldn't alert them to anything, because they'd be expecting them.
Fort Lauderdale is over 260 miles from Tampa. How in the world is that closer than trying to turn around and land in Tampa?
Between stories like this and the ones about runway incursions, it does sometimes feel like our system is beyond the breaking point and that we're on the precipice of a disaster. On the other hand, I can't remember the last time there actually was one and it's very possible that the fact that we only hear about when things go wrong is coloring my perception.
Things went well in this case, but I’ve seen the sort of schedules that are considered safe, and I can’t help but notice that if you asked me to work the same schedule then I would, at best, be exhausted at the end of every workday. If I for any reason didn’t get proper rest, if I had a subclinical cold, anything, then I’d be falling asleep at the wheel.
An interesting exercise would be to consume ADS-B data flow and surface anomalous aircraft behavior (based on historical flight path look back and airspace/airspeed/altitude logic) for triage and reporting outside of formal reporting by ATC or pilots.
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Edit: @CoastalCoder: I would also agree with that framing.
I find this framing interesting.
Why call it "labor shortages" instead of "excess ticket sales" or "excess flight scheduling"?
I'm not trying to pick on the parent comment; I've seen this framing a lot.
I’m not a pilot, but doing eight rounds of mentally intensive work in a day is exhausting, especially when that day begins with a 4am wake up call in a hotel.
"The weather in Tampa at the time was poor and getting worse. Thunderstorms were prevalent in the area and visibility was decreasing. The relevant METAR (below) indicated thunderstorms at the airfield."
Maybe something weather related?For instance, if they have enough fuel to get to Fort Lauderdale and the weather there allows for a visual approach, diverting there gives them a lot more options in the case of malfunctioning instruments.
I'm just a private pilot without an instrument rating, but this diversion doesn't seem crazy to me.
Unless they became fixated on the causeway thinking it was the runway--I live here and that runway is not heavily used for commercial flights, so it might simply have been a familiarity issue even for someone regularly flying into TPA--I cannot for the life of me figure out why they ended up where they were. Just a bizarre situation, unless the weather was so bad that they got task saturated and didn't know what was happening.
I did wonder to myself whether they were lucky to be flying a MAX8 due to the power of the engines--an older plane might have taken longer to stop the descent.
Landings in which the approach is entirely over water is tricky and is done with instruments all of the time, typically ILS. This is normal for commercial flights in general, but should the localizer lose the glideslope, autopilot on the b737 defaults to the last mode it was in, which for the approach, they may have been performing a flight level change (FLC) mode down to the airports elevation which will cause a decent more rapid than the 3% guild slope, which allows the aircraft to descend into and catch the glideslope localizer.[note 1] At some point the gluideslope was lost (or was never caught to begin with) which to the pilots’ surprise, they likely encountered a “terrain, pull up” notice and recovered before the situation got worse.
So why divert? Why not go around? Well they had to make that decision because they may not be able to divert if they made the decision to go around and try again due to fuel burn. They likely did not know why they captured the glideslope and then, all of a sudden, they were getting ready for a water landing. Was it the aircraft’s ILS or guideslope localized receiver? Due to the weather, they certainly could not do a visual approach, and there may not be sufficient RNAV points in the water on that approach to land there, so they diverted to an alternate where they know they could land visually if they absolutely had to.
Making decisions while flying aircraft is a calculated process and may not be immediately obvious. It’s easy to see in hindsight how things could have turned out differently but pilots often have minutes or seconds to make a decision and they will always choose the one that results in a safe landing over a convenient one. Media that doesn’t understand how these decisions are made love to poke fun at these silly pilots and it does a huge public disservice.
Note 1: this was explained to me from a friend who flew b737 for an airline
If they had to divert, St. Pete Clearwater is right there and big. They probably flew right over it. Orlando and Sarasota are also much closer than Ft. Lauderdale. Maybe they didn't want St. Pete/Clearwater or Sarasota because of weather or Southwest doesn't use them, but Orlando gets plenty of Southwest traffic.
Most CVRs are overwritten in 2 hours unless it’s a brand new aircraft.
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