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Last week, something similar happened in Italy: https://www.ilpost.it/2024/07/20/trenitalia-ritardi-treni-fi...

There are not to many details, but the dynamic seems exactly the same.

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Russia-sponsored arson happened in Poland recently:

https://notesfrompoland.com/2024/05/29/poland-detains-three-...

Some of these were stopped:

https://www.polskieradio.pl/395/7785/Artykul/3407219,ukraine...

So apparently the new strategy of Russia is to set Europe on fire but pretend it's not them.

I read the article waiting for the least hint of proof that Russia was involved and left with empty hands. Except a politician talking and their national security agency saying these are included in an investigation related to Russian terrorism, but still nothing else than talk.

Why would Russia even do such small time damage to countries geographically pretty far? Protip: no "Putin wants to conquer the world so he's planning in advance" conspiracy theory.

Why? Because they are supporting their enemy, Ukraine. Doesn’t take a military genius to see the obvious motive.

And so burning a few random facilities (or relatively low strategic importance I guess, since they were seemingly not under surveillance) is going to change what?

It'd make more sense for it to be an operation Northwoods if anything, but that would be even more far-fetched.

They're on a multi-decade war with the west. Anything which makes people in other countries fight themselves is a win.

They also tried to kill the CEO of Rheinmetall. The GRU in particular (but also the FSB) occasionally just goes and does some crazy shit.

> is going to change what

In some intention, public opinion.

It would make more sense but that would be even more far fetched…?

Sorry, but the high speed rail is Frances pride, and this was not some random attack. Russia absolutely could pull this off, and they have the motive. What other organisations does?

Not just that. Because Russia is barred from the Olympics because of their invasion of Ukraine. So they want to specifically mess up the Olympics.

I thought the Russians were barred from the Olympics because of persistent doping scandals?

That was last time.

Maybe screw the opening ceremony of the Olympics to keep saying that "western countries are falling apart" ? It has been a classic rethoric of Russia media for a while.

There has been 800,000 people affected by this outage and the opening ceremony is at 7pm tonight, so probably connected.

If there's something you can easily say on HN without the slightest piece of evidence and without fear of being called out is implicating Russia in any situation like this.

This thread reads like a propaganda fair sponsored by Western governments.

Would be incredibly stupid of Russians to do something like this.

Over at France24.com this is what is posted ATM:

"Two security sources said the modus operandi meant initial suspicions fell on leftist militants or environmental activists, but they said there was not yet any evidence."

> Would be incredibly stupid of Russians to do something like this.

You could say the same about shooting down a Dutch airliner.

Or using chemical weapons on UK soil. Then claiming that the agents responsible were just tourists with an admiration of the local cathedral.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/sep/13/russian-tele...

Or placing coffins in front of the Eiffel tower. Or painting red hands on Jewish cult monuments.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cldd7n97dvro

We don't talk about nation acting rationally when their egos and pride are involved. They are effectively banned from 2024 olympics, so they do terrorist attack to sabotage it. Childish? Yes. What long term good effect for them is there? 0 nil nothing. Is this very typical of russian mentality for anybody who actually knows the country and its leadership? Absolutely, 0 doubt, yes.

Plus arrest of that drunken FSB agent in Romania who was bragging about exactly this terrorism few days ago. Also, very typical.

Well, not really, the episode that article is related to came out as being a couple of homeless people walking on the railway:

https://tg24.sky.it/cronaca/2024/07/20/firenze-uomo-binari-t...

The day before they had some technical problems with electricity, but still nothing that can be connected to intentional sabotage.

What is going on with this thread, are you all on drugs? I'm Italian and this accident was just some random dudes walking on the rails.

It is the power of mass movements. The same people who posed as ultra liberals and leftists are now talking like Archie Bunker from the comedy series (forgot the name of the series, the character is an ultra conservative, commie hating person).

"All in the Family"

There was several technical problems in that period regarding TAV in Italy. The delays are not only about homeless walking on the tracks

Yes, and as mentioned in the Italian media, they were caused by lightning strikes damaging instrumentation on the rails, or by planned maintenance work. There is no suspicion of sabotage.

Are just scraping the bottom of the barrel to find anything of use to incitate for a military escalation?

It does not look like the same thing

Above it's a "person in the rails" or in the platform

In France there have been fires (probably Russia acting normal as usual)

There was also several technical problems in the day before and after.

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