I notice issues relating to these groups (israeli cyber groups) are very quick to be denied or delegitimised on HN
This phenomenon is generic and happens with all repeated/related stories. People only interpret it differently in this case because they're conditioned to treat this topic as a special case. They therefore assume there must be some special thing going on. Both sides of the conflict do this, btw.
might I also suggest that sufficiently skilled efforts to direct a conversation will not be detected by most conversation participants.
Keeping away, no. But they are trying hard and mostly succeed to deviate the discussion.
.. and, even more importantly, the censorship cannot be considered successful on the part of the agency doing the censorship unless a) the victim audience do not know the censored information, and b) never know that things were censored.
It would appear that attempted obfuscation over this very issue can be observed in a multitude of forms ...
If you do actually follow the topic very closely, or read one or two comments further down in this thread you would have come across this link to pro-israeli astro turfing zoom call tutorials by the idf https://www.leefang.com/p/inside-the-pro-israel-information and many other examples
Unless it's the US as hacker. Then no one is inpressed.
Those get little air time in hard progressive or far right spaces since these anti liberal influence operations mostly promote hard progressive and far right perspectives.
Example: the far right tries to depict the left as degenerates who want to make all children gay just because they support introducing LGBT+ friendly material to the school education. I'm sure some people buy that and hence become more inclined to reject the left, as who wants to "force" children to become homosexual, or transgender, right?!
Now, whether China/Russia are doing it or not, I have no idea, and I suspect no one here does. But even if they do, I have trouble seeing how they would be more capable than Europe and the US, who clearly also try pretty hard to promote their own values elsewhere, so they can hardly complain about others doing it.
I think they're also trying to break the wests spirit in terms of faith in democracy and the state of the world right now for policy and political/military advantage. In my eyes the US is currently one big foreign infleunce experiment right now via facebook
It's not like the USA will stop interfering with the world if they succeed, which I suppose may be their motivation? To the contrary, a messed up USA is incredibly dangerous. It could end up in the hands of extremists (well, it kind of already did before) who have no qualms starting a war against Russia, which would be completely devastating for Russia (maybe also for the USA, but from Russia's point of view, that wouldn't matter much).
The media makes it look like Russia is some teenager hooligan in the world stage, doing destructive things without motivation just for the sake of it, which just doesn't make sense to me at all.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/feb/10/sheldon-adel...
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/republican-mega-donor-adels...
I'm pro-Israel, but the current Israel government is widely called far right by the mainstream media, so I don't not know what to make of your comment at all.
If you talk about general influencing: It has been known for decades that the USSR and its successors have influence operations. No need to mention it. It would be interesting though to follow the money: Perhaps your innocent "liberal" mainstream operation that is anti-meritocracy and therefore undermines the West is financed by Russia.
And anti meritocracy seems to be a very effective idea to push, I was more considering shattering faith in the future and changing policy personally.
Also account created 2 hours ago and only comment is on this israel post^
(*) https://www.statista.com/statistics/257337/total-lobbying-sp...
America literally produces movies about "Captain America", a heroic do-gooder who has superhuman strength, speed and endurance and who wears a flag as an outfit. In these movies he saves the entire planet. America spends like a hundred million dollars every year on that alone.
Is that not what the senate subcommittee has been discussing for the past two years?
(Twitter tankies are annoying, but mostly on their own initiative)
That’s really in direct opposition to their stated aims and it just seems like a false equivalence.
Also, Russia and China aren't seen as allies by basically anyone in the west. But yeah, sure then we should treat Israel like we do Russia and China though, but I'm not sure you would.
So either the engineers have changed fundamentally, or ...
(just the logical conclusion of the statement, intentionally made blank)
(It’s from the EU’s diplomatic service so it should be considered geopolitically self-interested)
They allowed 9/11 to happen (they knew because they spied on Americans through a company called Amdocs)
They stole nuclear weapons from USA through a company called NUMEC
They killed JFK when he tried to investigate them for stealing nuclear material,
To this day, Israel maintains an arsenal of nuclear weapons, which they use to threaten other countries, while simultaneously preventing other nations from procuring nuclear weapons
They perpetuated a genocide, with the secret objective of setting conditions for a religious ritual involving a red heifer sacrifice leading to the destruction of the Al Aqsa mosque ( seriously)
They sold US electronic warfare technology to China,
They deliberarely sunk the USS liberty killing US sailors, and then had their corrupt US politicians try to cover it up,
In this case you triggered another commenter into a complete misunderstanding (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41066935), taking your comment to be not only serious but also representative of the community. Given the high level of inflammation around this topic (everywhere, including on HN), that is seriously not cool.
If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and sticking to the rules in the future, we'd appreciate it. It looks like you've been breaking them for quite a long time, not just with drive-by flamebait like the above and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41066717, but also with ideological battle comments generally. If you want to keep posting here, we need you (as with any other user) to drop that.
Btw, you don't need screenshots of HN comments. Anyone with 'showdead' turned on in their profile can read the original: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41066729.
All: if you turn 'showdead' on, please don't forget that you did so, because we sometimes get emails from people asking "how can you possibly condone $horrible-comment appearing on HN?" when in reality the account has been banned for years.
HN does get some genuinely antisemitic comments, most of which get posted by one or two serial trolls who keep making new accounts. We ban those whenever we see their latest incarnations—it's a whack-a-mole thing.
Edit: please see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41071782 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41071809 also. I've replied in each place you posted this because people often jump to wrong conclusions about the community and it's important not to do that.