Namibia turns the visa tables on Western nations
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I remember a story from many years ago where an Indian coworker was complaining that his parents tourist visa to the US got denied again. I thought this was really unjust and I was commiserating with him about why the US would even care. He said “because people come over on a tourist visa from India and never leave.” I said that was ridiculous because it’s limiting tourism and he said “No, that’s exactly what I’m going to do. They’re 75 so they’ll just stay here the rest of their lives. Customs will never actually do anything.”
I think of that every time I read stories like this.
This is how my coworker/friend described it. And why part of why State department makes visas harder for some countries. They know people never leave, they just don’t care. So they can easily see with which countries this is most common.
I'm assuming the reason he's not a citizen yet is because the employment green card queue for India is ridiculously backlogged compared to every other country.
I have only positive experiences of both countries. But if you all how many people from X will want to visit Y, my guess is that more Canadians visit Namibia then the other way around, by a large factor, and a bit of extra bureaucracy won't be worse than the overnight flight anyway.
Digression alert: an airport security guard in Namibia found a knife that I've carried for almost fifteen years, on countless flights. https://www.spyderco.com/catalog/details/C133/Bug-trade-Stai...
I’d love to visit Namibia. And I expect western tourists to Namibia spend quite a bit more there than Namibian tourists in the West.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Namibia
[1] https://tradingeconomics.com/namibia/gdp
[2] https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/CAN/can...
Namibia's official language is English https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Namibia
There are a number of other languages which are the native languages of most of the population, but English is the only official language of the country. When I was there as a tourist they told me that it was chosen after independence because it would be equally difficult to learn for every ethnic group.
It was slightly longer than my thesis, although much shorter to complete -- unless you include failed previous attempts. To date, it remains my magnum opus of bureaucratic compliance.
It's a frustrating and moderately expensive experience, that I would otherwise never have learned about as a Canadian citizen.
Meanwhile, a visa to enter Vietnam for 3 months from a Western nation is a fee and a rubber stamp. A fascinating problem arising from that is the number of undocumented migrant workers we get from the West! It's been a thing for a decade, but in the past was mainly people offering English lessons who did not meet the requirements for a work permit. It's expanded significantly in scope post-Covid, although I don't have any hard numbers to share.
I feel it's quite fair to expect some visa costs/paperwork when no fair and bilateral visa arrangement exists. On the other hand, the level of noncompliance with the terms of the issued visas worries me. I'm a documented immigrant to Vietnam, I run a small and boring company. If the rules change in a crackdown, will I get caught up in a regulatory net meant to catch someone else? Losing my company this way would be really disheartening.
I'm unable to think of an easy fix to the asymmetrical unfairness of visas -- but I thought you might enjoy a slice of what it looks like from the other side. I guess immigrants anywhere are presented with many of the same challenges.
People want to move to richer countries where even menial jobs pay much much more than their home countries, and they can enjoy more advanced infrastructure that's been built up over generations. Quite often money is then sent 'back home'.
People moving the other way (west to developing nation) often bring skills or plenty of savings with them. That's not always true in both cases of course (plenty of skilled doctors want to move to the west, plenty of unemployed drunks from the west want to move somewhere cheaper, etc).
In this case, already having some family living in the country must be a red flag that the applicant might easily find a job and a support network and then petition to stay.
The whole thing sucks and is unfair, but there it is. One day hopefully we will not need national borders, but it is not this day.
Anyway, requiring a visa on entry is pretty normal. And since they hand them out on arrival, it's more of a tax than a bureaucratic hurdle. I remember having to pay for a visa when entering Turkey in the late nineties. You had to pay cash to get a stamp in your passport. Just a formality. They had very high inflation at the time (higher than now) and you had to pay in your own currency instead of Turkish Lira. Dutch Guilders in my case (this was pre-euro) So, this was a nice way to get foreign currency into the country for them. Clearly it was about the money and not about Dutch people outstaying their welcome in Turkey.
Likewise, Namibia doesn't have an immigration problem but they can probably use the cash.
Why?
Between 1904 and 1908, German troops waged a punitive campaign against the Herero and Nama which escalated into the first genocide of the 20th century.
Addendum: In response to rapid up and downvoting with no comment as to why I'll happily repeat the question .. why should we expect good relations between former European colonies and their European colonisers?Germany had a colony in PNG in the early 1900s, that's long since changed hands. Belgium had a horrorshow occupation of the Congo region under Leopold that served no good end. Idi Amin, a brutal dictator, expelled Europeans and the Indian civil servants brought in by the British to oversee colonial works in Uganada.
Yes, sometimes there are good relations between former colonies and the countries that took them over .. but it doesn't always follow.
But it's interesting I saw a survey that showed people in former colonies often have a better opinion of the former colonizing county than they do of non.
The role of France in the Rwandan Genocide was underplayed at the time and still relatively undiscussed.
The role of the US and France in extracting very high grade uranium from the Congo during the Cold War was almost unreported until well after and surrounded by a halo of funded conflict and destabilising warlords that prevented any local governance arising to challenge the relocation of valuable resources.
The British Kenyan Colony, now dissolved, was defended from the Mau Mau uprising against the British by stoking neighbouring conflicts and arming at below cost groups that would act in the interest of Britain.
A consistent story in colonies is that the violence Colonisers directly inflicted was very often the least part of the violence they initiated in a delibrate strategy of destabilisation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany%E2%80%93Namibia_relati...
We have a problem in the UK and other countries that the cost of that has become so high. From another article:
>The Home Office claims that the average cost per night of providing hotel accommodation to asylum seekers is £140, which does not include the costs to local services. It says that the estimated total cost to the taxpayer over five years would far exceed £150,000 per asylum seeker.
There must be a better way to do things. I mean like let them apply online if they really need asylum, otherwise send them back. The legal system seems to have run amok that any rando can say I claim asylum and then be pretty much unremovable at a huge cost to the local tax payers.
And given that it’s a fairly small amount in western context it’ll probably be ok.
I expect this to increase globally. Kinda glad I have two rather diff passports.
> These include all “non-reciprocating countries” - meaning the new visa rules will affect citizens from all countries that require Namibian passport holders to have visas.
I’m curious what this is meant to achieve. There is zero chance those western countries would be open to Visa free travel to Namibia. It’d be political suicide with the latest right wing wave and no one cares about the Skeleton coast and deserts of Namibia enough to apply any pressure.
Is this policy just for domestic consumption or a cash grab?
I guess it’s a cash grab - if you already pay thousands for your flight ticket then let’s just ask tourists and businesses traveller's for 90USD.
What worries me is that we will soon see this everywhere with the recent hate over (mass) tourism and the make-money-everywhere attitude.
There is something to having a degree of quid pro quo and not just being a stepping stone to more powerful nations.
Did you say you were going to the US to play golf or is this a reference to the debate?
There's a school of thought that thinks such approaches to questioning works, another that thinks it doesn't - but in general border agents look more for body language and reactions rather than correct answers to trivia questions.
Some say the best way to be forgotton | passed through | overlooked by aircrew and border agents is to rapidly get "bucketed" into a category group .. too many drinks and make a loud pass at staff, for example, and you're in the "drunken bore" group.
My wife is usually quiet when we do immigration because I carry the passports and know the process (a bit silly, since she’s been through it almost as many times as I, but they need to be in one place and I carry that bag), but at the land border I’ve had to wake her up to get her to talk. She asked why one time. I said, you have a US passport, we have different last names, they have to make sure I’m not a human trafficker with a fake passport for you.
Then she got Global Entry and that issue went away. They know both of us.
There probably aren't too many like him, of course.
It’s just not a popular destination.
Nationalism is not always and everywhere insane, especially in a democracy where demography is destiny. If your country doesn’t have a strong assimilation system, being very protective of borders is a good idea.