There was recently[1] some talk about how the 13th/14th gen mobile chips also had similar issues, though Intel insisted it's something else.
Will be interesting to see how that pans out.
Will be interesting to see how that pans out.
Now Alderon Games reports that Raptor Lake crashes impact Intel's 13th and 14th-Gen processors in laptops as well.
"Yes we have several laptops that have failed with the same crashes. It's just slightly more rare then the desktop CPU faults," the dev posted.
These are the guys who publicly claimed[2] Intel sold defective chips based on the desktop chips crashing.
[1]: https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/dev-reports-...
[2]: https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/game-publish...
> "The laptops crash in the exact same way as the desktop parts including workloads under Unreal Engine, decompression, ycruncher or similar. Laptop chips we have seen failing include but not limited to 13900HX etc.," Cassells said.
> "Intel seems to be down playing the issues here most likely due to the expensive costs related to BGA rework and possible harm to OEMs and Partners," he continued. "We have seen these crashes on Razer, MSI, Asus Laptops and similar used by developers in our studio to work on the game. The crash reporting data for my game shows a huge amount of laptops that could be having issues."
https://old.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/1e13ipy/intel_is_...
Right now, the only example given is HX (which is a repackaged desktop chip[^], as mentioned), so I'm not denying that the problem is happening on HX based on their claims (and it makes a lot of sense that HX is affected! See below), but what about H CPUs? What about P CPUs? What about U CPUs? The difference in impact between "only HX is impacted" and "HX/H/P/U parts are all affected" is a few orders of magnitude (a very top-end 13th Gen mobile SKUs versus every 13th Gen mobile SKUs). Currently, we don't have enough data how widespread the issue is, and that makes it difficult to assess who is impacted by this issue from this data alone.
[^]: HX is the only mobile CPU with B0 stepping, which is the same as desktop 13th/14th Gen, while the mobile H/P/U family are J0 and Q0, which are essentially a higher clocked 12th Gen (i.e., using Golden Cove rather than Raptor Cove)
Like they are the most extreme claimants at this point. Are they really credible?
The issue does happen with desktop chips that are being used in a server context when pairing with workstation chipset such as W680. However, there haven't been any reports of Xeon E-2400/E-3400 (which is essentially a desktop chip repurposed as a server) with C266 having these issues, though it may be because there hasn't been a large deployment of these chips on the server just yet (or even if there are, it's still too early to tell).
Do note that even without this particular issue, Xeon Scalable 4th Gen (Sapphire Rapids) is not a good chip (speaking from experience, I'm running w-3495x). It has plenty of issues such as slow clock ramp, high latency, high idle power draw, and the list goes on. While Xeon Scalable 5th Gen (Emerald Rapids) seems to have fixed most of these issues, Zen 4 EPYC is still a much better choice.