AMD says its new laptop chips can beat Apple
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I've been in the market for a Linux laptop (casually browsing) for a while. I love the Framework mission. I periodically look at System76's offerings. Maybe Lenovo, hence the interest in Snapdragon. I'm not looking to replace my Macs, I just have a strong affinity for quality software and neat hardware. I recently added a bunch of new NUCs and mini-PCs to my renewed homelab after a multi-year hiatus. I can't imagine a better time to start investing in alternative (to me) hardware again.
Bring it, AMD. I want you to slay.
… like the Mac book pro?
I started using Apple when the M1 was launched, the battery duration and the no moving parts (e.g. fan) in the Air plays in a different league. I continue to have a love "relationship" with my "old" XPSs but I can only use them plugged or buying a new battery every year...
BTW the Thunderbolt support on the 2018 XPS continues to be superior to Apple now (e.g. more monitors) but the battery duration is a lifechanger.
Unfortunately AMD is still quite a bit off in terms IPC.
> AMD Zynq 7000 SoC family integrates the software programmability of an Arm-based processor with the hardware programmability of an FPGA, enabling key analytics and hardware acceleration while integrating CPU, DSP, ASSP, and mixed signal functionality on a single device.
There are small manufacturers [1][2] bending AMD "mobile" SoCs into a plethora of form factors. Now that we have OSS FPGA toolchains (LiteX) and modular PC enclosures (Framework), AMD can offer flexible SoCs for experiments that unlock new markets that can grow in volume, instead of me-too chasing Apple/Qualcomm.
[1] https://cwwk.net [2] https://aoostar.com
The FPGA market has climbed ever more up-market, building only ever bigger better but at exponentially vaster stratospheric price points. There's a couple mid-tier Lattice parts that have emerged, and Gowin has some real disruption from below just starting, but big playerskke Xilinx/AMD and Altera/Intel (since re-spun off) have made FPGAs ever more unattractive & unaffordable year by year.
It seems very unlikely that the FPGA people actually want their parts accessible useful or commoditied. There is a very strong demand for FPGAs that justifies their multi-thousand dollar price points for ever pretty modest sized chips (which can be scaled up to huge house-priced sizes too); nothing else gives you what fpgas do. There's no substitute. It would be too risky for these folks to actually allow reconfigurable computing to be in reach.
Some of the SmartNIC offerings that hyperscalers and hyperscalers alone use have nice but kind of specialized FPGAs onboard. Marvell/Nvidias's Bluefield rocks. But again it's a $500+ network card with capabilities most folks won't be able to use well. It's especially damned a proposition because there's no solutions available for use & the necessary AMD Vivado software needed to program the fpga is thousands of dollars and that's the starting cost before you start signing contracts to get access to the dram controllers or to Ethernet phy.
Every now and then there's something that seems like a ray of hope in the gloom - for ex AMD's nanotube ebpf -> fpga converter (https://www.phoronix.com/news/AMD-Xilinx-Nanotube-Compiler) - but you need that expensive closed tool chain to start and the efforts usually seem quickly abandoned after a code drop or two, no real effort to make it happen.
It's hellworld. It's so sad to see an industry so near to the rest of computing and the pax Romana of "PC compatible" interoperability & mutual growth, but so unable to cross the chasm & flourish, just in such a closed off isolated locked-in-its-head niche darkworld. I get it, there's no evidence the volume isn't there so chasing whales is what you have to do.
FPGAs are such amazing & interesting systems, but it's been a terrible decade of them getting nowhere. Zynq is an ancient relic reminding us of hope lost. I feel like the best case possibility is that this NPU AI thing maybe breaths some life in; XDNA is supposedly a somewhat special small FPGA, and that maybe possibly over time could help bring FPGAs out of the dark & into the light of day. One could hope.
What do you mean? There's a bunch of newer Zynq parts in the UltraScale and UltraScale+ lines, as well as Versal - if you're only looking at the Zynq 7000 series, that's why you aren't seeing anything.
Cut to sci-fi film as engineers in 4024 unearth a colossal landfill of 2024 AI "GPUs". They place one "GPU" into an additive fabrication device for automated scanning, interface construction, electrical and software analysis. Later, their AI announces that it has rewritten the "GPU" firmware, making the underlying hardware usable for general-purpose digital logic.
I guess what I’m saying is that AMD has better be bringing something faster than the M3, that’s the bare minimum if you’re bragging about a new design.
I really really hope Strix Halo can deliver next year, with quad channel memory & a huge GPU. Hopefully it can hit both ends well: hopefully it can be TDP'ed down to be nicely power efficient, hopefully folks can build amazing cooling solutions so we can scale very compact systems up up up to absurd performance when when we have shore power.
Oh, Strix Halo is alleged to be MCM (multi chip module). AMD has been tuning & improving their Infinity Fabric MCM after it being a beast, but it's hard to believe they'll take this dragon on mobile. Intel's EIMB seems to be doing much better? Good luck all!
AMD already makes Arm SoCs for Xilinx markets.
Nvidia and Mediatek are likely working on Arm laptop SoCs. AMD could follow.
This will be helpful for the portables that use and (steam decks and switches)
I’m glad competition is driving everyone forward, It’s good to see.
I had and 8th gen intel:nvidia laptop running linux. Battery life was frankly terrible. We’ve seen to have moved beyond that.
“Faster than a MacBook Air” isn’t hard if you’re willing to burn electricity and produce more heat. Really it’s the same for the MBP comparison.
Heck Intel can beat a MBP. The could when it was released. You can buy it right now. Just don’t expect similar battery life or a light laptop.
Can you beat the performance at the same battery life with a similar sized battery? Can you match the performance and battery life while using a smaller battery?
Just saying you’re faster is only part of the story. Without the qualifiers you used it’s not meaningful.
I know they’re focusing on efficiency, and good for them. I hope their claims are accurate or at least close.
But I’ve been on this ride way too many times. Some company claiming their thing is better than the other one and then it turns out it just flat out isn’t, or only is with some giant compromise.
It’s the combination of speed, battery life, AND heat that have been magical for the Mac compared to the last Intel chips they shipped.
I’m just expecting another case of faster but hotter or worse battery life. Pretty much all the quotes are about being faster. Then there’s this:
> During the event, AMD would only say that battery life would last “all day,” which the company defines as “eight hours or more.
I don’t know how that compares in the PC space but if the best you can do is 8 hours you’re WAY WAY off. An Air is rated at 18 hours, a 16” MBP at 22.
That’s what I’m talking about. They are not matching Apple. They’re making big cuts somewhere. It may be a big improvement in the PC space, and good for them if it is, but don’t say you’re beating Apple if you’re getting 40% of the battery life at the same performance.
The appeal of the M1 MBA even today isn't that it's fast, it's that it's fast enough while also delivering great battery life, not throttling when unplugged, and being dead silent and cool to the touch. It's everything that an everyday laptop should be.
Open lid, it's on, instantly. Close lid, its asleep without any nonsense phantom power draw (looking at you, dell.) On battery, it runs all day despite being 3 years old. There's no.moving parts, no fan throttling, etc. It doesnt warm up my lap or care if I block a fan port. Its also very, very light.
I'll happily use whatever OS. But I adore that bit of hardware. The software is a bonus. I dont see a scenario where Microsoft puts in the same transformation effort that Apple did in pairing the OS to next gen hardware an optimising for power, compatibility, stability, etc.