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>it would have massive negative effect on trade and would probably cost the US far more than it would save.

I'd love to share that certainty, it's a rational position but the Republican party are fully in thrall to an ideological commitment to capture or destroy the institutions of state and can't be relied upon to behave rationally. If you think the political right won't commit economic vandalism in the name of this idiological crusade just take a look at my home, Britain, where first austerity, then Brexit, then Liz Truss's free market extremism dumpded our economy in the trash and pushed our public services to the brink.

This goes far beyond what happened in the UK, this would mean thousands of planes being grounded because of the lack of reliable weather reports and every cargo ship coming into US waters taking on less cargo and possibly skipping the US all together if that decrease in cargo means the profit is just not there. NOAA is the source for the nautical charts shipping uses so navigation would become more difficult and slower, more money and incentive lost. Every plane and ship crossing the Atlantic and Pacific depends on NOAA at least indirectly, directly if they are going to/coming from NA. Every farmer in the US relies on NOAA for determining when they should plant and harvest, fishing industry for water and weather information, every meteorologist in the country relies on the data provided by NOAA, the list goes on.

The effect these changes would have on the international economy would be massive affecting every country that trades with the US which would compound the internal effects of dismantling NOAA. If the threat was sincere the article would be talking about this stuff instead of how it would effect your ability to plan a weekend picnic.

They could give less of a shit about any of that - they want people to pay their private cronies for the data.

And another big part of what NOAA does is climate research and they absolutely want to castrate that. Really I don't think you've been paying attention.

Candidate A: "I'm going to poop on the floor."

Candidate B: "I like clean floors."

Pooping on floors is gross, nobody really wants that, they probably won't do it, just election time fear mongering reporting on floor pooping.

The platform suggests they'll do it. Lots of people in the party suggest they'll do it. They already started to do it last time the candidate was in office. It was only after a good bit of pushback the nominee ended up turning it down in the end.

Candidate A already had their pants down bent over the floor about ready to poop. But I'm sure he won't actually do it given a second chance! Might as well vote for him, I'm sure he won't do what he says he's going to do.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/10/14/politics/noaa-nominee-accuwea...

Everything you said and plus its The Atlantic. You really couldn't have a more left wing bias unless they were competing with HuffPost.

You can read the Project 2025 white paper yourself if you choose to not believe the reporting around it. It's public.

That will only make him even more excited to vote for Trump. Just look at his unhinged bigoted misogynistic transphobic posting history (with showdead=true to see his most vile posts, as well as all the unsubstantive comments and flame bait that dang has to keep asking him to stop repeatedly posting). Project 2025 was designed to appeal to hateful bigots like him. He's an archetypical walking talking example of why it's so important to vote against Trump.

I dislike Trump. I am not sure how I can be misogynistic considering I don't even aim for women, I rarely communicate with them unless they are my work colleagues. Look, I dislike identity politics and think likely I am just an awful comedian. I am definitely living in the greyzone politically where both sides catch it from me. I don't respect the rules of engagement here probably more than I should, feedback received, thanks.

You're living on the bigoted side by publicly posting false and ignorant hate speech against trans people, and the bigoted side is most extremely and vitriolically the Republican side, who has made misogyny and transphobia and racism part of their platform, so don't pretend you're in the greyzone politically. You're a bigot, and you chose to make your bigotry public and political. And no matter what side you claim to be on, and especially if you claim to not be on either side, you absolutely deserve to be called out for your bigotry, since you decided to make it irrefutable objective public knowledge that you're a bigot, in your very own words that you posted to Hacker News, of your own free will. You've already been called out by dang and asked to stop, and I'm calling you out and asking you to stop again. So stop feeling sorry for yourself and trying to play the victim.

Do you think that ranting at people about their expressed views, calling them names and making wild accusations about their beliefs actually changes anyone's mind? You're being awfully rude and condescending, and looking back through your comment history, it's clearly a very toxic pattern of engagement that has being going on for some time.

I'll be emailing dang myself to complain about your behavior on this site, as it seems you've been getting away with this for far too long.

And do you think making vicious bigoted slurs against trans people is actually going to change their gender?

Dang ALREADY ASKED you to stop, and you chose to ignore him.

I'm a different commenter to whom you were talking with earlier, and I'm talking about your conduct, not his.

I asked you previously why you keep making new accounts for every single thread but you never responded to me :(

How many accounts do you have anyway?

Just so we are out in the open here, this person thinks that a gay man(me) who is concerned about children being asked "you might be trans and thats okay" is basically, in question because children cannot possibly understand something as fluid as sexual emotion let alone something as synthesized as gender identity. He is referencing this post where I commented a long honest retort to basically never ending agenda to make everything about being trans.

The post and article: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34753240

My comment:

/begin

I am gay, 34, and I still can't understand HOW doctors can justify severing breasts, a penis, or altering chemical systems permanently in someones body to make them feel better about themselves, especially in youth! This is like treating Schizophrenia by playing into their delusions to give them comfort. There is also something extremely concerning about gender dysphoria or being trans becoming essentially a pop culture within more blue-leaning states while other states have statistically low occurrence of gender dysphoria(which is in line with modern psychiatry and historically). Are blue-leaning states producing trans people, why are most trans people in the USA under 25(by more than 43%!)? Is this our generations medical grift(snake oil)? In 40 years will we have a derogatory reference to it in our history books(gender med)?

Sounds super insensitive, but I don't mean to be. I feel awful for these people that are truly miserable and need help, but there is more going on here from a crony-capitalism and big-pharma perspective than people are willing to admit. It seems like every where I turn I am trying to be convinced it IS the answer and Gay or Lesbian people are also being forced to get in line on what is happening(if you're a gay male who only dates other biological males, you're transphobic...yeah)...

I feel this is so damaging to a large group of a future generation of our youth and creating contention even between communities that are otherwise united on the other 98% of issues that we face.

/end

Oh yeah, I sound like such a hater having concerns for children as well as expressing deep concerns for people who are deeply troubled with their grip on their sexual identity and me having that conflict internally while expressing my own emotions and concerns is somehow forbidden.

You are acting deranged and I ask that you just calm down.

> You are acting deranged and I ask that you just calm down.

You got all that from my one post here? Is that an admission that you are behind gossim and all the other accounts? Eg granibran.

I will agree with DonHopkins. In your post you are basically spreading misinfo and comparing GD to schizophrenia while using your gay status as a shield. Ironically some of the most transphobic people that I know are gay men, and this is not a revent phenomenon either.

A bit of empathy, an attempt to get informed about what is going on, and trying to talk to trans people about their experiences would go a long way.

Edit: I just saw your post where you said that autism is a terrible disease, I will be withdrawing from the discussion as I don't think any reasoning is going to be had.

While I appreciate your presumptuous concern, I must disabuse you of the notion that I require fictitious accounts to court controversy. My singular, longstanding Hacker News account suffices admirably for that purpose. As for engaging in dialogue, I find your fixation on transgender politics and trichological tribulations(hair loss) rather limiting. Perhaps these intersecting preoccupations stem from a deeper struggle with accepting certain incontrovertible truths?

Yeah I noticed that account is extremely new and only commented on this thread to vanish soon after. Their problem wasn't with the person that conflates schizophrenia and gender dysphoria and calling autism a terrible disease, it was with the person who dared to object to such vitriol.

I don't know why these people expect an honest and sincere discussion when they're repeatedly making new accounts to astroturf their views and endorse their own posts.

"Gay or Lesbian people are also being forced to get in line on what is happening(if you're a gay male who only dates other biological males, you're transphobic...yeah)"

Been a while since I heard this lie, the last time was when Lily Cade was interviewed by the BBC about a situation she fabricated. The day after she created a website talking about how trans people should be slaughtered. Frightening how quickly anti-trans people can go from fabricating stories to bolster their 'arguments' to creating websites graphically describing how they'd execute trans people.

On twitter these people repeatedly spout lies while claiming to just "not understand" despite having everything explained to them many many times and then going on to celebrate the murder of a trans person in a tweet the day after.

These people demand everyone else be calm while they send death threats to people on twitter or send bomb threats to hospitals.

One could maybe invoke Hanlon's razor but Hanlon's razor is a joke from a joke book. Some people are just evil. Someone who believes autism is a "terrible disease" and lies about schizophrenia and trans people probably isn't far off.