Ultimately you probably either need a clean-room NGO that ensures the data cannot be de-anonymized, or accept that ad impact counting is BS anyway and only measure profit increases across A/B ad phases.
Ultimately you probably either need a clean-room NGO that ensures the data cannot be de-anonymized, or accept that ad impact counting is BS anyway and only measure profit increases across A/B ad phases.
The only thing that seems to somewhat work is Patreon, which seems to work fine for some developers that are good marketers, but even there the number of creators that can support themselves is very small, and I don't know of any Patreons that support more than a single person.
To support a browser, you need a team, and there is no plausible way to pay for that team with donations.
It's not that nobody has tried financing open source with donations, it's just that nobody has found a way to make it work yet.
No, AFAIK you cannot.
The inability to donate to Firefox is a valid and longstanding criticism of the Mozilla corporate/foundation setup.
Mentioning this deficit in a comment chain about the projects financial sustainability is relevant and appropriate.
It is also true that many projects have funding problems, but that does not negate the parents point.
Mozilla is not a particularly good steward of Firefox and there should be a way to donate specifically to Firefox development, if just for Mozilla as an indicator on what should be their priorities.
What I am saying is that it is extremely unlikely that people would donate to Firefox, even if was possible to do so. At least not enough to actually pay for more than a few developers. (And you need more than a few developers for a browser, even if you cut useless features nobody asked for like Pocket integration.)
Apple tried this with iOS 2 and 3. Minor versions cost users roughly 5-10 USD per update.
Therefore many users did not install the latest OS on their devices. The cost, although small, was a barrier for many people.
Apple quickly pivoted and now all software updates are free of charge to all supported devices.
If Mozilla starts charging for Firefox, I predict either people stick with the oldest version that is free, or stop using Firefox and use a fork that maintains its free (in cost) license. Or maybe only 2% of users convert to a paid version of Firefox.
Apple charging for updates is idiotic because as a user I don’t have a choice to go use a different OS.
Adding security updates and new features costs time and money.
You don’t even have to touch their services revenue to consider ongoing iOS development a significantly successful return on their investment.
They stopped doing it after they lobbied congress to change the law.
If firefox asked me once a month "Enjoying the entire internet? Is it worth $1 to you?" I'd press the button often.
* Donations to Mozilla go to a non profit which is separated from Firefox development and has questionable effectiveness in general
It's very hard to believe that an average user would ever pay for a browser, when alternatives like Chrome and Safari exist. It's the same as paid email services, in my opinion. Like sure, there will be some segment of users who'll do it, and they'll probably get $10-20M/year if it offers some features free email services don't. But hitting that $100M through donations on a yearly basis would be hard when there are free equivalent alternatives.
1. The average user doesn't have to pay for the browser in a donation model, you just need enough users to feel passionately enough about it to fund it sufficiently to develop it.
2. No one is arguing that Mozilla should replace their revenue from Google overnight with donations. We're just asking that Mozilla give us the option to pay for Firefox already.
Another user (trying to demonstrate to me that donations would never be enough [0]) figured that if we assume a similar rate of donations as Thunderbird gets then Firefox would bring in $70m/year just in donations.
That is a heck of a lot of money. That funds 140 developers even at inflated Bay Area salaries, 280 developers if you're willing to branch out of the Bay and offer closer to $200k/year on average as a base salary (still an insanely high average rate in most of the country and the world). Even if you took a full 50% for general/administrative and overhead, that sum would still pay for 70 bay-area or 140 rest-of-the-world developers.
If Mozilla really does need more developers than that for Firefox specifically, then fine, they can keep accepting money from Google—no one is saying they should only be funded by donations. But that they don't even make it an option is frankly bizarre.
Upvoting you in the hopes that more people in this thread will put their money where their stated principles are and help support a privacy focused browser with clear funding sources so that Orion doesn’t go the way of Opera.
What’s your Firefox use case that Orion doesn’t handle? (Sincere question; that wasn’t meant as “it works for me so stop complaining!” snark.)
Other than that, the browser is pretty amazing. Blazingly fast, support for both Firefox and Chrome extensions, and lots of customization. There's a lot to love about it, and as soon as the two features above land I'll likely be switching to it as my primary driver (on MacOS)
[1] https://orionfeedback.org/d/43-something-like-firefox-multi-...
A reasonable way to survive would be to have invested part of the half billion dollars per year they've been taking in for the last 15 years and built up a trust to permanently pay for developers.
At some level, trusting that privacy-friendly advertising through Firefox actually respects privacy is going to have to involve trusting Mozilla. Mozilla seems to have gone out of its way over the years to erode user trust, and this is just one more step down that road. As the author says, if Firefox is even sneakier about this than Chrome, what scope is there for trust?