CO poultry workers test positive for bird flu after outbreak at egg facility
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Before that they emerged from small-scale farming. “Whooping cough comes from pigs as does flu as well as from birds; our friend the cow alone is responsible for measles, tuberculosis and smallpox” [1]. Proximity, to humans and animals, drives disease.
B. pertussis “evolved from Bordetella bronchiseptica or a B. bronchiseptica-like ancestor… B. bronchiseptica infects a broad range of mammals, including humans, and although it can cause overt disease such as kennel cough in dogs and atrophic rhinitis in pig” [1].
The San Francisco Chronicle, December 17, 1979, p. 5 reported a claim by the Church of Scientology that the CIA conducted an open-air biological warfare experiment in 1955 near Tampa, Florida, and elsewhere in Florida with whooping cough bacteria. It was alleged that the experiment tripled the whooping cough infections in Florida to over one-thousand cases and caused whooping cough deaths in the state to increase from one to 12 over the previous year. This claim has been cited in a number of later sources, although these added no further supporting evidence.[52][53]
What source says 1918 came from large scale farms?
Large scale farming in 1918 would not have existed as we think of it today, as average farm size was about 150 acres with approximately 6 million farms.
For reference, 2022 average farm size was 464 with approximately 1.89 million farms.
Sources: Changes in agriculture 1900 to 1950 https://www2.census.gov/prod2/decennial/documents/41667073v5...
Farming and Farm Income https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/ag-and-food-statistic...
The statements from CDPHE sound to my ear like boilerplate 'downplay' language. There are 55 symptomatic people, that's amazing. Confirmatory tests are important of course, but what a data point.
How large would the workforce have to be for 55 concurrent symptomatic (safe to assume those included have clear symptoms) people to be uninteresting?
If this is only "bird to human" infection, isn't that a notable rate of transmission? I'd think even a workforce of 1000 handling dangerous pathogens daily would be getting ill more like 10 per week over a period of time. Its alarming that 55 are ill all at once.
We are all going to be reading a firehose about physical contact vs. respiratory transmission again just like the old days. I haven't forgotten that it was something like 6 months before the government revealed that Cov-19 was a respiratory transmission despite knowing in Dec 2019.
You can't guess this stuff.
Can you expound upon this? Your claim is some government said in May that Covid was a respiratory disease?
Remember washing vegetables and surfaces because they were telling us in the US about fomites and surface transmission after touching your face? It was a long time before the CDC recommended masks, and that outdoor transmission was far less likely.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/07/opinion/coronavirus-airbo...
Well that's a clever slight of hand. The virus didn't kill 6 million birds, the humans tasked with culling flocks did.
That said, the way you put it sounds cruel. Is it your claim that a cull wasn’t necessary or that not culling would have left more birds alive long term?
My claim was more simple than either option you gave. My claim is that the virus didn't kill 6 million. Those deaths would be attributed to the proximal cause of whomever decided they needed to be culled. I'd also argue there's a longer timeline culpability for anyone who decided to raise flocks of birds in such terrible conditions as is found in industrial bird operations.
Though yes, I would be surprised if every bird in those facilities died from the flu had they not been culled. We don't know nearly enough about how the virus spreads, especially in the context of large scale industrial operations, to predict how many birds in the region would have died without the culling.
https://newatlas.com/wearables/worker-wearable-air-curtain-b...
[0] https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2024/07/02/hhs-provides-176-m...
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza_A_virus_subtype_H5N1
Seems like that is a lot of people?
On Friday, the CDPHE returned with a larger team to the site and tested 48 additional symptomatic workers, a spokesperson said in an email to Denver7 Friday evening. "The test results from samples collected today (July 12) are still pending," the spokesperson added, saying those samples will be tested this weekend.
--- previous post - - - At least according to twitter (which may or may not be correct) - the results for 48 of the 55 are not yet available, so only 4 people have had a negative test so far, and 5 have been positive.
-- 2nd edit - - Looks like you edited your previous post, where you claimed the 48 tested negative. Posting this here for completeness so that my post makes sense.
It’s just another scare tactic, one which saw heavy exploitation in the COVID era. I personally tested presumptive positive once: they treated me as though the test was positive and prohibited me from receiving medical care. In fact it was explicitly not positive, I never experienced any symptoms, and they relented and let me recover the procedure some number of weeks later – with no change in testing.
edit: I neither made nor recanted any claims as to the positivity of the other 48 in my first comment, I do not know why you are asserting I edited claims out.
These are well documented established protocols created by domain expert scientists folks, let’s not completely ignore them for the purposes of FUD.
Here is a list of everyone that has tested positive (world wide) since 2021: https://bnonews.com/index.php/human-cases-of-h5n1-bird-flu/