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Penalties would also incentivise businesses to hide data breaches.

That is the worst case outcome of penalties, and it carries significant risk of whistle blowing. The default case will be compliance, because compliance is simply cost of business, something businesses understand well.

Meanwhile, currently businesses are doing shit all about data breaches except handing out the absolutely useless "2 years identity monitoring", so from a consumer view it really can't get much worse.

In general, the idea that penalties make people hide their bad behavior, so we shouldn't penalize bad behavior, is just extremely misguided. Because without penalties, we normalize bad behavior.

Are strong whistleblower protections what’s needed to balance this?

As an Australian I am absolutely horrified that we continue to put people in jail who have blown the whistle on the government here, and it makes me think that large organisations are absolutely terrified about strong whistleblowing protections.

This all suggests to me that whistleblower laws would be very effective.

Whistleblower is a very revealing thing to call Mr. Assange.

Another example would be David McBride who was in the Australian military and blew the whistle on war crimes. He recently got sentenced to jail while actual exposed war criminals are free.

I understand that Wikileaks is controversial but I don't think there is any dispute that he has acted in the role of whistleblower to some extent. But that's not really the point I'm trying to make, so I've removed the reference.

I think I'd argue for a sui generis classification, which does partake somewhat of the whistleblower, but it seems like calling Napoleon a general. He was certainly that, at times. Apologies for the nit-picking in any case.

David McBride and Richard Boyle. Both tried the official channels then whistleblower channels. Both made some mistakes but all in the public interest. Aussie gov treated them shamefully.

Witness K and Bernard Collaery came to mind when I was writing it. They blew the whistle on illegal espionage used to pillage the resources of our tiny neighbour, and the government threw the book at them. Absolutely shameful.

Make laws that protect whistleblowers from civil and legal penalties, punish those who attempt to illegally hide data breaches, including jail time in the worst cases. That would solve it. Individual employees don't care enough to hide it (they just work there), and leadership wouldn't dare risk a whistleblower which would cause them to face criminal penalties.

So you make it a crime to hide the existence of a data breach for more than X amount of time for the purpose of figuring out exactly what happened. I don't know off the top of my head how long X should be. 30 days? 60?

Sounds like a recipe for willful ignorance. Why put any effort into checking for data breaches if it would only hurt you?

Which should result in even larger penalties, hopefully those penalties can also be levied against the individuals that were associated with hiding the data breaches. Mid level manager that gets an email from Snowflake saying that there's been unusual activity who then hides that information or doesn't look into it? Fine 'em (and AT&T). Mid level manager tells a random engineer that DOES look into it and finds that they've been hacked but hides it? Fine AT&T and this person even more!

This appears to be an argument against law itself.

GDPR has fines for data breaches

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