My reply to the people who want to designate my neighborhood a historic district
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I've never understood why people try to connect these issues. They're wholely unrelated. No one's like "oh, I can't find a house in my city, guess I'll just live on the street". In reality it is "oh, I can't find a house in the city. I'll move where it's reasonable". If I can afford a very reasonable rent, I can afford a ride out of town.
The homeless aren't homeless because housing is expensive where you are. There are places within reach where housing is cheap.
After that, the next thing blamed is the issue of wealthy Americans using housing as an investment in high-profile areas, which takes up the public consciousness despite being such a small part of the problem.
The homelessness crisis is mostly unrelated, and the subset of it that is related is not related in the ways for which people use it as an argument. Again: Build outward. Get businesses to spread out.
This is one of many studies that took less than a minute to find if you need a citation: https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/articles/...
Here's one from California explaining the causal relationship between rising rents and homelessness: https://homelessness.ucsf.edu/our-impact/studies/california-...
Sort of like the connection people who never leave their house and never seem to meet someone.
This is about as disconnected from reality as it gets.
We beat out >50 applicants for our current rental by offering 6mos up front. That ad was up for less than 2 hours. Other landlords we talked to were working through 400 applications per day.
We're paying just over double for the same sq ft, in the next county out. We beat long odds for the privilege.
People all around the region - with steady gov jobs and money in the bank - moved into dodgy hotels or their cars because they had nowhere to go.
I would like a trial job and a trial house for 6-12 months. Ill find something myself. It should probably involve a schedule with social interactions and someone to monitor the progress. Other people who just relocated are probably interesting to talk with.
I live in a historic district and am not allowed to do things that would help preserve the house or even to change it back to its original state (unless I have photos of my house circa 1900 to prove it, but who took photos of middle class houses then?). The city busybodies don't have a background in architecture or history and seem to think that the past actually looked like Disney's Celebration, FL.
Best of luck to Mark in keeping his own city's troublemakers out of his neighborhood.
If you looked at the City in the 70s, when it became "historic", it looked amazing, but greatly run down. If they repaired the structures instead of tearing then down structures over the past 50 years, it would be an amazing place to visit.
Now, it is a shell of its former self. But there are plenty of signs saying "This is where ... was". Now I think getting a historic designation is nothing but a money grab by the local gov and their friends in development.
1) Most people these days want to live in cities, for good reasons: jobs are there, cultural activities are there, dating opportunities are there (for single people), good schools are there (for married people), etc. An abandoned town won't have any of that.
2) Sure, if a bunch of people moved to an abandoned town and revitalized it, it would be interesting, but how do you coordinate something like that? What are these people going to do for work in the meantime? Are you relying on a bunch of WFH people? And even if 100 WFH people suddenly move to a dying or abandoned town, how do they deal with all the things that aren't ready for them, such as the utilities, or lack of skilled labor to fix problems in their houses, etc.?
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2018/12/12/how-far-a...
I wonder what was the last town in a america to be established? Are there suitable areas within 1.5 hour drive of a major one?
People in the 1800s and before didn't worry much about medical services. When they got sick, they suffered with it, or died. The state-of-the-art with medicine at the time could be handled by one doctor. Expectations these days are a lot higher.
>I wonder what was the last town in a america to be established?
That's a good question, and probably impossible to answer without some qualifiers. I'm sure some new "towns" have been created in the recent past which were really nothing more than an incorporation of a previously-unincorporated area immediately outside another municipality, but that's altogether different from establishing an all-new town far from any other settlement, as was probably common in the 1800s expansion westward.
Think of all the housing it could provide.
This post also makes the same mistake pro density activists usually make, which is to project their false ideas of how their “opponents” think onto them. Residents who fight against density and change aren’t doing it for scarcity or property value. That’s what activists say to make them look bad, along with a healthy dose of childish pejoratives like “NIMBY”. The reality is people mostly just want to keep the quality of life they’ve worked hard to find and build.
Yeah, they are. They may not ONLY be fighting for some reasons, but this absolutely one of them.
City in Washington, not the most expensive, but repeatedly very high (double digit percentage) value increases, struggling with density proposes "The Missing Middle" and looks to study how to improve medium density housing (not even huge apartment complexes).
Inevitable question: "What will this do to our property values?"
"The most conservative study shows that we expect property value increases will go from 12.9% YOY to 9.2% YOY."
Holy hell. You'd have thought the city council was executing toddlers and pouring sugar in grandma's gas tanks. As soon as that little trinket came out, everything crumbled. Despite the fact that property values were still looking at increasing nearly 10% a year.
You say all this, but I've also met more than my share of property owners who believe that property should be an appreciating asset, and that that is some form of inalienable or constitutional right, the right to considering their home an asset or "investment" that outperforms the economy significantly.
And I say that as a home owner in that same city as someone who "worked hard to find and build" my quality of life.
I’ve attended neighborhood and local council meetings, and I have literally never heard anyone talk about property value except those who are pro density, when accusing and attacking other residents. I’ve heard concerns about density affecting neighborhood character, crime, parking, traffic, etc but not property value. Sorry but I continue to think this is just a false generalization.
> You'd have thought the city council was executing toddlers and pouring sugar in grandma's gas tanks.
You’re claiming that people were angry about property value even though property value wasn’t a concern under proposed changes. That just doesn’t sound believable. Are you sure you’re hearing and understanding their perspective accurately? We all (me too) sometimes hear only what we want to hear.
> I've also met more than my share of property owners who believe that property should be an appreciating asset, and that that is some form of inalienable or constitutional right
Did anyone actually say they think it’s an “inalienable right” or a “constitutional right” or is that your editorialization? I have, however, heard people say that everyone has a “right” to housing - and you can find many opinion pieces saying the same with a simple search. Again, this all feels like projection.
In my country the Constitution guarantees that "private property [shall not] be taken for public use, without just compensation". But when the government tells a land owner that they can't replace a single-unit dwelling with a more valuable apartment building, they are doing exactly that.