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I believe Java has exactly that, but I couldn't recall the project name.

In the case of .NET, there is https://github.com/microsoft/coyote which works by rewriting IL to inject hooks that control concurrent execution state.

It would have been much more expensive to have a custom interpreter specifically for this task (CoreCLR never interprets IL).

This approach somewhat reminds me of precise release-mode debugging and tracing framework for C++ a friend of mine was talking about, which relies on either manually adding the hooks to source files or doing so automatically with a tool.

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Ah, now you mention it I did try Coyote once; it crashed out instantly on F#, which is why I forgot about it.

I'm just here to commiserate with F# being the red-headed stepchild of dotnet. Everytime people say "dotnet" they really mean "C#".

Given F# compiler outputs legal IL that is expected to execute in a particular way, and CoreCLR doesn't fail on importing it, and then executing it, it has probably more to do with either Coyote or other tooling that interacts with this setup.

That is, if the issue persists. There's one that mentions F# submitted in 2020, but nothing else since: https://github.com/microsoft/coyote/issues/39

Edit: Whoops, meant to reference this one: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/61694051/how-to-use-micr...

I don't understand why there is less tolerance for having to make accommodations or take extra steps when working with F# than, let's say, when using Kotlin or Scala. Both follow a similar pattern where they can use pretty much every Java library by virtue of targeting JVM but can't use a huge amount of Java-only tooling that does meta-programming or instrumentation beyond what is provided by JVM bytecode specification, and yet it's not seen as such a huge ordeal from my surface impressions.

Does that issue mention F#? I may be blind but I see no evidence that it does.

In general the F# way is to write completely different stuff, right, either hiding away the underlying C# or completely replacing it. Witness the existence of the SAFE stack, Giraffe to hide the egregious ASP.NET, the totally different approaches with statically resolved type parameters in F# vs enormous hierarchies of interface types in C#, Myriad AST generation vs Roslyn stamping out strings, etc. I have no opinion on the languages hosted on the JVM, but there is a really nontrivial impedence mismatch between idiomatic C# and F#!

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