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"I think that with respect to content that is already on the open web, the social contract of that content since the 1990s has been it is fair use"

And that social contract did not include AI. You put content on the internet because you had certain expectations on how it'll be seen or used.

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And the idea that fair use includes training set fodder is a non-starter. This use was not only unaddressed in fair use standards were created it involves a set of capabilities that was inconceivable at the time, so it can’t have been intended — even the most generous reading of “transformative” can’t allow for automated reproduction however fractal in nature.

It’s funny that everything is fair use when it comes to these big corporations using it. When it comes to someone with limited resources and attorney power and it touches their content, then it’s over.

Right. Training models is qualitatively different to educating or entertaining users.

How so? The models are educating and entertaining.

Those things aren't what makes a copy fair use, though.

Because models do so in competition with humans, in a way that threatens their way of life. Atleast until the rewards and benefits of ML are shared fairly, people don't to help accelerate that.

Do people not do it in competition with each other too?

They do, on a equal footing. Even human level AI will blow human professionals out of the water, let alone superhuman.

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