Free and clear phones should be unlocked immediately.
Free and clear phones should be unlocked immediately.
The phone is absolutely not "collateral". The carrier does not take it back if you default (even if they could, they wouldn't be able to get anything of value for it). Unlocking is just an inconvenience that prevents enough people from churning that it lowers the risk of financing.
Until you pay off the collateral, it isn’t your ownership, simply permission to use while servicing the debt.
You can get a darn decent Android for 200$ unlocked, and if your really struggling a 50$ phone will get the job done.
No one will suffer if they can't get an iPhone.
A lot of folks also can't do math. I pay about $20 a month for my phone plan, and I paid $700 for my phone up front. AT&t isn't giving phones away, you end up on a more expensive plan that's around $80 or so and then they'll tack on 30 bucks for the phone.
If you're lucky the bill credits will cover the entire cost of the phone, but over two years you've still spent an addition 700$.
Carriers will just make people sign two-year contracts at a guaranteed rate, plus an early exit fee. This is how all kinds of predatory scams work; the carriers will do just fine and low-income people will continue to get the newest iPhone.
Currently the most used phones in the US are iphones.
If the actual cost is not hidden behind monthly payments anymore, but some users can not afford iphones, people might start to consider cheaper phone options.
One caveat: carriers do not really pay for your phones. Your phone bill would list two separate charges: service charge, for calls, internet use, etc., and then the monthly payment for your phone. If you add all those monthly payments over the whole contract period you get maybe 5-10% discount to the regular market price.
Here the phones that you can get from your carrier and pay off on a monthly basis often end up costing more than in retail.
1. Incentivize the borrower to continue paying so as to not lose the collateral.
2. Allow the lender to recover some of the value of the loan.
A locked phone serves the first purpose because the lender can disable its primary function.
I ask this out of genuine curiosity - I’m not sure what happens in the US either, I don’t believe they brick carrier-locked phones that a customer stops paying for but I’m not sure. But I’ve enough experiences with enough people to know this is probably actually a fairly common scenario and I wonder what the consequences are. (A surprising amount of the time, there are no real consequences.)
I think the threshold for repossession of collateral is somewhere around cars; stop paying your car lease, they'll take the car; stop paying for your house, they'll kick you out of your house. But I don't think it's worth it for phones.
The phone is still collateral whether it’s locked or not. In fact, AT&T is the only one of the big 3 carrier that locks their devices that are financed. The other ones don’t bother.
If you terminate your cellular service with an installment plan it’s typical that you immediately owe the balance. Whether the phone is locked or not makes no difference on whether the company can collect on the debt.
Yes, there's room for abuse in the system.. and perhaps prepaid phones won't be as well subsidized.. but people getting contracts typically take a credit hit or require a hefty security deposit to offset the risk.
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Even if your phone is paid for, removing the lock is confusing and time-consuming friction that shouldn't happen. They make money by doing it.
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I bought one for $20 several years ago as a glorified iPod touch and never activated it.
> When locked, the phone is the collateral
Not really. If someone cancels service without paying off the phone, the carrier doesn't reclaim the phone. It simply prevents the phone from being used with a different carrier. The person could sell the phone to another customer on the same network. Houses are collateral because it's hard to hide a home from creditors and you can't sell the home without discharging the lien on the home. There's no lien on your financed phone.
This change probably wouldn't change much for phone financing because phone companies are already running credit checks when handing out devices on payment plans, require higher-risk people to make down-payments on the phones, and once a person has done it once to you, it's easy to never offer it to them again. Once you've burned Verizon by canceling service and not paying off your phone, you've burned that bridge. Plus, Verizon would likely report it to the credit agencies where you'd have burned the bridge with the other carriers too.
This is a rule that would help prevent a lot of e-waste and make it easier for folks to switch carriers. There is the chance that someone will finance a phone and leave without paying it off, but there's always been a risk that someone would run up a phone bill and not pay it. Someone could go abroad and run up a large roaming bill and not pay it. Back when data plans were limited, someone could run up a bill into the thousands and just cancel service without paying.
Locked devices do serve a function for carriers. They make switching harder and they protect companies roaming revenues. If I have a locked phone, I have to pay Verizon $10/day to use my phone in Europe. If I have an unlocked phone, I can grab a European SIM for $30 and have cheap service for the month.
Verizon has been financing phones and offering similar discounts that T-Mobile and AT&T have been offering even though their devices will automatically unlock after 60 days. A locked phone is worth marginally less than a carrier-locked phone, but a locked phone can still be sold to other people, even if it isn't paid off. A locked phone can still be used even if the original purchaser has defaulted on the debt. These aren't bricked phones, just carrier locked devices.
If the issue were that they needed a form of collateral, carriers would want the ability to brick the devices rather than merely reduce the resale value of the device by 15%. Yea, if you finance an AT&T iPhone, default on the debt, and sell it to Gazelle, you'll get 86% of the price for your locked phone as you would for an unlocked one. If one could flip unlocked financed phones, it would be just as easy to flip locked financed phones - you'd just make 15% less per device.
So what is the lock preventing? It's not preventing someone who has found a way to defraud carrier financing. They can still sell the phones (which are legally their phones which the carrier has no lien on). They merely get a marginally lower resale price. No, the locks aren't necessary for equipment financing. No, the phones aren't collateral.