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Its actually a shame, in the pursuit of blaming the USA and/or Israel people lose common sense. Look, It seems that it was certainly USA/Israel, but throwing common sense out the window just so we can make this point is not a good idea.

What these people are saying, essentially is that very few countries have lots of smart people in different industry's, which is wrong.

The zero days can come from all over, the PLC and SCADA system knowledge is all over the world.

meh, I'm rambling now, I agree with you kposehn. Its more obvious that this is the work of USA/Israel simply because they are the ones desperate enough to try anything. I might be wrong but who else is threatening war with Iran?

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The zero days can come from all over, the PLC and SCADA system knowledge is all over the world.

From what I've read, SCADA leaves an aspect of its system wide open and insecure, to make development easier.

...but the US is not a nation-state.

You have repeated this multiple times on this thread. Would you like to explain what you mean?

If you don't know what a term means, why the fuck are you using it?

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-nation-state.htm

You people are fucking ignorant.

The author of that is wrong to conflate nationality and ethnicity. A nationality is a much more general concept. Because most people in the US would list "American" as their primary group identity, and because the people who don't aren't off in their own geographical areas, the US is more of a nation state than it is anything else. Now, you shouldn't throw around the term nation state unless you deliberately mean to exclude, say, Kenya or the old USSR - but that's a different matter.

EDIT: Or compare the US and the EU. The typical New Yorker regards people in Florida as the same sort of person as them, so the permanent fiscal transfers from New York to Florida don't spark the sort of outrage in the US that permanent transfers from Germany to Greece do.

Uncited articles on "wisegeek.com" -- a good place to learn the definitions of words and terms.

I'm afraid to ask...but why do you say that?

I don't think that's true, but either way it is not helpful to the discussion.

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