Vermont man arrested after giving trooper middle finger gets $175k
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Anyone with an ego so fragile has no business wearing a badge. I'm disappointed that Jay was allowed to retire when he clearly should have been fired, but I'm thrilled that he won't be a cop anymore.
It's easy, they just provoke cops who tend to not follow the law until they got a case.
If I could get wrongly arrested by a cop or even hurt to gain 300k, that would be worth it, and I would imagine people would learn the law and observe cops to make it happen.
It's very malicious, but it seems the gains are high.
He probably should've gotten more
There are definitely “auditor” types who are provocative but that’s a small minority
Yes, cops not following the law is indeed very malicious
There are some downsides to the taxpayers under the private-insurance model. Assuming police are already paid about as little as we can get away with paying them, their salaries would have to increase by the average insurance premium. Over the long term, this should be equal to about 1.2x the awarded payouts. Assuming insurance company profit would be de jure capped at 20%, which happens for health insurance and auto insurance in some states - if the insurance company accidentally makes more profit they issue rebates to customers to bring down profits to the maximum level. So it could be argued that taxpayers would end up paying 20% more. But there’s some additional nuance which may lead to upsides for taxpayers wallets:
1) When a repeatedly problematic officer sees their premiums raised a lot, they’ll likely leave the profession. Removing the most egregious repeat-offenders will most likely lower the taxpayer’s bills.
2) Taxpayers in areas with sudden high judgments against them will be somewhat subsidized by taxpayers in other areas. This at least doesn’t suddenly victimize the taxpayers in areas where they are already victimized by police.
3) Police might be afraid of higher premiums, and change their practices to avoid judgements - thus lowering the taxpayer burden.
Any changes in how police do their jobs to avoid higher premiums could have positive or negative externalities.
- Would certain officers in the “in-group” get assigned lower-risk work and bank more take-home due to lower premiums, and others would be discriminated against by being assigned high-risk patrol areas and face higher premiums either as a result of their specific assigned duties or as a result of occasional interactions that are more likely to occur in those areas?
- Would police officers be even more hesitant to rush into Uvalde High than they already are to stop active shooters?
- Will police officers learn new techniques that are equally or more effective at reducing crime than current abuse-of-power techniques, or will they just avoid policing as much as they can to minimize the risk to their premiums and give criminals a permissive environment to operate in?
Ideally we want to find a way to incentivize professional, courteous, AND effective policing to get the most value from tax-payers dollars. Many people believe courteous policing leads to effective policing, and many people believe the opposite (that more extreme / “rough” policing leads to more effective crime-reduction). For that reason alone I think it might be difficult to get private insurance requirements enacted.
But I do think most people can agree that IF it’s possible to have courteous AND effective policing at the same time, that would be ideal.
When a citizen is unjustly harmed, if an officer is not following written departmental policy then that officer should be personally liable, with the department as a jointly-liable fallback (for enabling them). If the officer is following written department policy, then only the department should be liable. This creates an incentive for municipalities to create written procedures that except situations like these (based on both the mens rea vindictiveness, and also the fact the victim had obviously broken no laws).
Note that I'm not proposing some radical departure from known territory, but rather something that is still less than the general liability dynamic that applies to everyone else.
Then if individual officers want insurance they can seek it out themselves, or if a municipality is worried about capitalization issues they can insist on it during negotiations.
Many countries manage to have (mostly) courteous and effective professional police forces without using an insurance/private lawsuit based framework such as the one you suggest.
I subscribe to the broken window theory of policing. Letting officers get away with small violations opens the door to bringing their ego to the job, and an "us vs them" mentality.
There needs to be felony prison time for cops who pull this kind of thing.
For the reasons outlined above I would prefer police to be part of the military. Then maybe you would have some type of accountability. This southern cop behavior is the type of thing Blackwater got up to in Iraq. Non-military people who pretend like they’re the real deal without being beholden to a command structure are all but guaranteed to go rogue.
The root of the problem is thus: by turning the police in tax collectors, we've created an environment ripe for abuse by government. The most peaceful and non-violent exit is to reduce the collection of taxes, giving us an offramp, and freeing them to actual investigate and prevent violent crimes and thefts.
In France to give the middle finger to a policeman or soldier or any other state representant would be considered an offense. People would be fined for this, and not even our leftists would contest that.
https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/codes/article_lc/LEGIARTI0000...
google translate: https://www-legifrance-gouv-fr.translate.goog/codes/article_...
Just kidding- maybe there’s an actual law involved. Either way this sort of example shows how much of an outlier the Bill of Rights is. It’s something worth protecting at all costs.
this is why so much desire to shoot the finger.
"Flipping the proverbial bird is a God-given, Charter-enshrined right that belongs to every red-blooded Canadian. It may not be civil, it may not be polite, it may not be gentlemanly. Nevertheless, it does not trigger criminal liability."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/middle-finger-god-gi...
And also it would be a better to use "state trooper" since word trooper can also describe other professions.