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Jack Dorsey says we won't know what is real anymore in the next 5-10 years

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Pretty sure Jack lost the ability to distinguish reality from his own hype _way_ more than 5-10 years ago

Yeah, I’ve long felt his PR game outshines his interestingness and insightfulness. He gets quoted and referenced reverently by media often, but then you read his takes and they’re either eye-rolling hype or stifled-laughter obviousness.

Came here just to same something the same about his perception. Looking at what he did and didn't do with/to bluesky I think he is much on his own version reality.

The original Twitter verification process was a great solution to this back in the day !

It's a shame its brand was destroyed to make a quick buck. Most blue checks I see nowadays are spam and trolls

Isn’t Twitter/X way in the hole financially? In what way has it made a quick buck?

Not to over-parse, but "making a quick buck" is not synonymous with being profitable.

As far as I understand, Musk has lost billions of dollars since his acquisition. "Making a quick buck" implies that he has made money.

it implies revenue, not profitability

That makes no sense whatsoever. Elon ruined Twitter for a quick buck but he’s actually lost money on it? Then he obviously hasn't made a quick buck on it.

He ruined Twitter with the intention of making a quick buck.

That he has failed does not make it incorrect to say that he did it for a quick buck.

Not just what, but who.

I expect to see a rise in use of small scale networks/groups, ideally self hosted in some way, where participants are all known to each other in real life. For years now I've been seeing people migrate to WhatsApp groups largely for this reason (I know each of you, this conversation is not public, and we're not going to have some weird bot or 'curator' turn up to shill, steal, or spray slop around).

Really curious to know about any co-housing/living communities or the like that have found a useful solution along the lines of a calendar/notification/chat/messaging/file sharing platform that isn't some mashup of big tech offerings.

Who's offering real life communities a 'social platform in a box'?

Not quite what you’re asking for, but Discord is broadly the go-to for small private communities, imo. It’s not half bad at it either

Personally I loathe it. I have a client that insists I communicate with them using their channel. The UI is overwhelming and finding past references or info is not nearly as easy as it should be. I have no idea why some projects use it as their primary community platform (looking at you Svelte). Slack is not much better in many regards.

I would like to setup some messaging solution for me and my friends and family to avoid spying.

My internet conmection and power have some downtime here on the country side, so ideally I would want something that have redundant server nodes. Dunno if that exists.

Futo Circles[1] may be what you're looking for. I haven't used it so I can't speak to the service itself, but it's a selfhostable e2e encrypted social media app built on top of Matrix.

[1] https://circles.futo.org/

fwiw Meta AI is built into WhatsApp and I don't think it's possible to turn it off.

Chump numbers. If you are committed with your regular DMT usage you can get there within weeks.

Be careful about "doing too much of that" as it can make stressed friendships untolerable (soooo annoying, no I don't want to hear more about where you `went`).

Intolerable pricks tend to make stressed friendships untolerable

I already don't know what's real anymore when reading historical snippets accompanied by pictures. Especially Facebook content, it's worse than the bottom of the barrel paper printed tabloids of the 90s, with the hen that gave birth to live chicks and all.

Eventually I'll have no option but to re-subscribe to paid content, while there's a trace of quality and objectiveness left.

The next planned step from caring governments and big tech: mandatory online identification.

Sow disinformation to drive crowds, zero in and silence dissidents. 1984 is served.

I just wish that Zuck, Thiel, Sergei, Elon, Jack and all the richest-beyond-any-practical-sense are remembered in history as the ones that did most of the work for this to happen.

Hell, I am no Stallman fan, but I would take his view over the crowd any day.

Do we have other solutions before the internet becomes 100% spam? Private communities?

I started writing postcards... address in profile, I respond.

Hell yeah you’ll get one from me! I also send out letters to people. So much fun.

I love it, but mail spam is also a thing. There are literally APIs to mass mail people, some even do fake human writing

Proof of work to post content. This is the part where some one says cell phone batteries can't handle it. But I doubt much quality content has ever been directly posted from a mobile device in the first place so I don't think it is much of a problem.

How will PoW solve this ? Clickfarms in Asia already use entire hangars of mobile phones to fake traffic.

1984 was already served during the coronavirus pandemic when vaccine mandates were enforced via smartphone apps.

Escaping from WW3 and the duty to serve is going to be complicated now that there are biometric passports

already the tories are floating a compulsory draft for 18 year olds.

Jack would know. He helped knock away the few remaining safeguards we had left.

Whereas Square used AI to prevent fraud, Twitter used AI to create an algorithmic hate machine. Any remaining authentic sigmal is overwhelmed by the noise of bots, trolls, agitprop, memes, and socketpuppets.

I'm not sure that many of the people out there in the world can or ever could.

"Everyone is so stupid except me :("-type comments are becoming far too prevalent...

That's a very uncharitable reading of my comment. One should be able to acknowledge problems without having to be or implying self perfection.

Your comment was a very uncharitable reading of humanity.

Humanity didn't write something that I am choosing to read in a certain way. When I look at Nazi Germany, Trump voters, anti-vaxxers, flat earthers. It's just plain to see.

Pointing that out and being called a smart-@ss is just crab bucketing on your part.

Before the eternal September in the 90s, you knew most netizens were academics and respecting the netiquette. It was a very different time that I seriously miss

This is already the case for many people who fall for half-truth clickbait on a daily basis.

I agree it will get worse, but to suggest that this is a future problem is wrong.

Is that the real Jack Dorsey?

10 years?

This feels more like a next 12 months problem to me at current pace

AI needs to be put back in the box and buried.

Not only is this impossible, it will simply not solve the underlying issues

Time to re-read "Fall, or Dodge in Hell".

I feel it might be more unsettling than when I read it ~5 years ago.

I already think over the top positive comments are AI.

We already live in alternate realities depending on what media we consume. Which is determined by our political group. Which is largely determined by location or socio-economic status, etc.

I mean literally having wildly varying beliefs about what is true or not. Especially political beliefs, each group believes that the other groups or their leaders are incompetent and corrupt. This goes for splits inside of a country but also in regards to other countries.

Technology is an amplifier. But it shouldn't be blamed for problems that humans create due to the nature of humanity and the poor organization of society and poor integration of information.

Per Neil Postman (Technopoly) and other critics, technology always both gives and takes, always crates winners and losers.

An alternative is to join a coalition that refuses to use AI, and only consume content created by the coalition.

Reminder this is the guy who had a good time meditating in the middle of the Rohingya genocide.

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