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If you're not going to buy their cloud services Microsoft doesn't want you as a customer anyway. My 9 year old Windows PC keeps nagging for me to "finish setting up", because there is no way not using onedrive is your actual intention right?

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So does my iPhone but that's somehow ok?

I don’t see where that comment was giving Apple a pass. They are indeed really egregious in upselling iCloud, in my opinion. The fact they sell devices with undersized, non-user-upgradable base model storage and default to storing lots of stuff in iCloud so it winds up filling up is pretty blatant. I’ve had to help a number of friends and family who kept getting iCloud storage full messages on their iPhones because they didn’t realize that their Desktop folder on their Mac had been slurped up into iCloud by some update, and was full of large files they didn’t care about accessing on their phone.

Why do people do this? Literally no mention or relevance to apple or iPhone, nor approval of that behavior yet the comparison is made anyway

I guess whataboutism is a rhetorical technique approximately as old as verbal communication.

because thats the way the whole industry acts now and suddenly microsoft aligns with it and its bad. I need an apple account to activate an iphone, and it bugs me about cloud photos and backups no matter what. I need a google account to activate a pixel phone, and it bundles google photos and tries to sell me cloud storage too.

everybody is doing it. Its the norm now. Either make it so nobody can do it or criticize everyone.

It appears to be a quirk of human nature. In fact, it's so prevalent that it has a name in Latin: Tu Quoque.

because its now the industry norm, by the biggest players.

PayPal few months ago prompted me to "finish setting up my account."

...For an account has been open for 23 years.

Did you assume op uses an iPhone?

Apple users are conditioned. Its a personal image they are going for, the experience never mattered.

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