Impossibly thin fabric could cool you down by 16-plus degrees
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These are certainly impressive numbers!
Also, it's a composite with a plastic material, and would probably resist all attempts to recycle it, resulting eventually in microplastics (contaminated with metallic silver).
Not through a chemical reaction, but a mechanical process that damages cells. The damage makes it easier to mutate. Which creates a long-term potential for cancer.
Silver nanowires should not be as strong as carbon nanotubes. But are they stronger than cell walls? If so, the potential exists for the same kind of harm as asbestos. Will we only learn whether it happens in practice only after they are widely used?
Asbestos gets into our lungs, winds up poking us, and does a lot of damage on the way out. If it ever gets out. Some fibers can get stuck for years.
It's entirely mechanical. Any strong enough fiber of a similar size and shape will create the same class of problems.
However, it also has a long elimination half-life, and it can stain the skin.
Also look up "blue skin colloidal silver."
I feel like if you went to a French article and it said "12 degrees" you would know to convert that to Fahrenheit, if you needed. And that's an even less common situation than second-language English speakers ending up on American articles.
> A heat dome that descended on Portland, Oregon,
> FastCompany is an American company
American companies tend to write for American audiences, especially when the article leads off with a bunch of American anecdotes.
If it was fastcompany.co.uk and it started off writing about how dangerous temperatures were going to be in London, and Liverpool, I would have assumed it was British.
The "intended audience" isn't just "people who can speak this language", and there are plenty of other context clues other than just "it's in English"
It's a very popular publication in the United States and is a US company.
> A huge number of people speak English as a second language.
Yes, and if they're reading native articles, they're most certainly from the context of a small group of countries. It's not those nations' responsibility to make their articles accessible to every other nation simply because English is the most common second-language in the world.
> Usually the notation follows the number, so it's kind of lazy to just say it's written for americans specifically
I'm in France at this moment and haven't lived in the US for over half a decade. I've never once seen a Celsius-based nation put "15c", nor any non-english publication do so. They write for their audiences, the same as American, British, Canadian, etc publications do.
> moreso as a counter to someone saying it's Farenheit instead of Celcius since I also clicked immediately thinking how is that possible.
Correct. The publication is written for Americans and is done so from that context. The scientific paper it is discussing is much more specific, as it should be.
It's not the same. There's only 1 Fahrenheit-based nation, and that's the US. Every other nation uses Celsius. So all the others just take it for granted and use Celsius degrees, and assume everyone else will assume it's Celsius, because 95% of the world uses Celsius. So they aren't "writing for their [local] audience", they're writing for anyone who happens to read it, and assuming, like most of humanity, that the reader will automatically assume Celsius. The C/F issue only becomes apparent when dealing with American readers or publications.
And when that nation's people write for their own people, that don't need to care about what the other nation's use. Period.
You're missing the main point in all of your grandstanding about America being different/unique in something. If you want to read American articles, it's on you to convert them. Just like Americans reading Die Welt, l'Republique, Xinhua. They don't owe you their audience just because 20% of the world speaks English.
The first clue is the date, which is mm—dd-yyyy, only really used in the US.
Also, while not “from glancing”, the article speaks in the context of heat in US cities.
But yes, the author is likely taking for granted that non-US residents would read the article.
Why should they need to? Should French journalists account for French-speaking Americans? What about German, Nigerian and Chinese ones?
The only reason this argument ever comes up is because English is the most common second-language spoken. American, British, Aussie, etc journalists have no more moral or reasonable responsibility to account for non-native/foreign audiences than any other nationalities do.
If you want to read a foreign publication, it's on you to deal with their local norms.
They don't have to: French, Germans, Nigerians, and Chinese all use Celsius.
>The only reason this argument ever comes up is because English is the most common second-language spoken.
No, it only comes up because Americans are the only people who use Fahrenheit.
https://www.lemonde.fr/politique/article/2024/06/22/legislat...
Explicitly, not in the form of contextual clues (their domain name and language).
Correct, they do not. As the vast majority of published articles do not.
95% of the world population uses Celsius scale, all scientists and military use it too, and ignoring units when having bombastic claims is either negligence or more probably on purpose.
I am pretty sure the team (and subsequently company/companies) behind it is not limiting itself strictly to US market and willingly ignoring rest of the world, when there are countries with much bigger heat issues than US.
That's hardly true. Even if it was it's not a justification for forcing people to change their common parlance.
Also, if you really want a temperature scale, you'd have it referenced to absolute zero so it's an actual ratio quantity. So, a lot of "scientists" use Kelvin or in some cases Rankine.
> ignoring rest of the world
There's a conversion factor. We don't keep it secret. We're not "ignoring" the rest of the world, we're just operating in a mode that most convenient for us.
>.. spectrally selective hierarchical fabric (SSHF) with emissivity greatly dominant in the atmospheric transmission window through molecular design, minimizing the net heat gain from the surroundings. The SSHF features a high solar spectrum reflectivity of 0.97 owing to strong Mie scattering from the nano-micro hybrid fibrous structure. The SSHF is 2.3°C cooler than a solar-reflecting broadband emitter when placed vertically in simulated outdoor urban scenarios during the day and also has excellent wearable properties.
Forget the idiom and focus on the content itself.
The article is written for an American layman audience. The scientific publication it is discussing uses specific terms, as it should. You would know this if you read passed the headline instead of knee-jerk complaining about "Americans wrong".
> I am pretty sure the team (and subsequently company/companies) behind it is not limiting itself strictly to US market and willingly ignoring rest of the world, when there are countries with much bigger heat issues than US.
FastCompany is an American publication and American company. Their audience is most certainly American. The fact that non-Americans can read it is no more important than French-speaking Americans being able to read Le Monde; a publication that also doesn't bother converting or specifying terms for a non-French audience.
(Also, I think Fastco should realize that they're being read by English readers all over the world who only know Celsius, but I guess they do measure their audience.)
(The article does include both units. It is only the title trying to be sensationalist)
There is no need for anyone outside the USA and Canada to use Fahrenheit, ever.
Oh no they shouldn't, because that's idiotic; as it is for any national publication in any language. You want to read foreign articles, you deal with the conversions/idioms/colloquialisms/etc.
It gets up to 16 versus more insulating fabric. I'm sure it is even more "cooling" compared to my winter jacket.
> Because of this dual usage, one must not rely upon the unit name or its symbol to denote that a quantity is a temperature interval; it must be unambiguous through context or explicit statement that the quantity is an interval. This is sometimes solved by using the symbol °C (pronounced "degrees Celsius") for a temperature, and C° (pronounced "Celsius degrees") for a temperature interval, although this usage is non-standard. Another way to express the same is "40 °C ± 3 K", which can be commonly found in literature.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celsius#Temperatures_and_inter...
For this fabric to work, the third layer is acting like a thermal insulator - making sure the silver layer does not transfer the heat to your body.
Has anyone information on the fabric that was able to cool the body that Ars covered? https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/07/new-fabric-passively...
If no one offers enough money, perhaps their research found it's just a bunch of hot air and not actually a viable design.
I won't go into specifics because none of them are my story to tell, and I don't have enough inside information to say with certainty anyway, but their research clearly showed it was not just a bunch of hot air, but the economic viability was mixed and often not there. In one case, it was only a marginal improvement over something that was already in high production, and the economies of scale made it so that this slightly better product would initially cost 100x more to produce, and even at moderate scale still 10x. My friend was offered some small amount (IIRC it was like $5,000) by some research firm to buy out the patent. He refused because he felt it was worth a lot more, but AFAIK it never ended up going anywhere. He (like the other cases) was inundated with (often conflicting) advice from a ton of angles, by many people who wanted to profit from the whole thing. It was pretty disheartening to watch. There was another one where a friend of a friend who was a professor discovered a way to improve efficiency in transmissions. They ended up raising substantial money but wanted too much to license out the IP to auto-makers, and the auto-makers walked. They ended up with essentially nothing and shortly afterward an even better CV transmission was discovered/invented, rendering his design obsolete anyway.
It looks like the market worked but of course subject to human greed and such. Auto makers didn't see enough value to justify the expense. If it was something radical then presumably everyone would have a big enough piece...
Also, such materials are real.
That's what I'm saying. It's how discussion works, he said one thing, I said something different.
> Also, such materials are real.
Real but not feasible for any reason. The other commenter didn't give any info that would deny that. You didn't, too. I don't blame you, it would take non trivial amount of time and money to just understand if an idea doesn't work out in real world. Maybe manufacturing too expensive, maybe there's some blocking regulation, maybe health hazards for workers, environmental hazards... But yeah of course a random guy on HN knows for sure it's the IP law that's always ruining things. Who would care about potential drawbacks of some tech, we got PFAS into blood of probably everyone now so why stop there?
Disclaimer: Silver is a slight poison and should not be used for a prolonged duration.
I have a hard time imagining that's true for any material, ever.
References:
Accumulation of Silver Nanoparticles in Brain and Testes during Long-Term Ingestion to Mammals (2017)
Disturbance in Mammalian Cognition Caused by Accumulation of Silver in Brain (2021) (pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov)
2) nano means it is not subject to elimination by food pipeline. It will cross into tissue and stay there, addition only.
The human body has diverse ways to excrete things many that it doesn't use, namely by urine, stools, sweat, and bile. Kidneys, liver, and intestines specialize in it.
<<Up to a point, excess silver is excreted out>>, although other things like various forms of PFAS are not.
References:
Accumulation of Silver Nanoparticles in Brain and Testes during Long-Term Ingestion to Mammals (2017)
Disturbance in Mammalian Cognition Caused by Accumulation of Silver in Brain (2021) (pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov)
A thin outer layer on your clothing tends to get fairly rough treatment. Think about sitting down, then scooting your butt back. How much force was that? Amd if this is anywhere other than the outer layer, it won't work as well.
3M sells them for grocery store roofs in the US.
Or maybe we now want to fill the world and coat our bodies in nanoscale plastic and silver dust?
Thin can always be made thicker by adding layers, but thick cannot similarly be made thinner. Thin is a feature.
The use of plastics here is mentioned as early as the second paragraph. It's the outer layer at least so at least it's better than normal microplastics on skin from plastic fiber abrasion. Still a bit of a problem once it hits the wash though.
> Another typical example is the Celsius scale, which is divided into 100 equal degree sections between the freezing and boiling points of water. Unlike the intervals in nominal and ordinal scales, it is possible to make calculations with individual data points in interval scales. The difference in temperature between 10°C and 20°C is the same distance as between 40°C and 50°C. In contrast to ratio scales, interval scales lack a natural zero point. In the case of the Celsius temperature scale, '0°C' is an arbitrarily chosen zero point (whereas the Kelvin temperature scale begins at the absolute zero point with 0K (-273.15°C/-459.67°F). Multiplications with an interval scale are therefore not useful. While it is true for the Kelvin ratio scale that 100K defines double the heat energy in a mass as 50K, this is not true for 50°C/100°C.
https://www.statista.com/statistics-glossary/definition/320/...