Huawei unveils its own programming language the "Cangjie"
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There is a language spec pdf, as a link and inline, on page [2]. It's readable, being code dense, but also CN. I don't know how to easily translate it - chromium browser translation, and translate.google, don't seem to.
[1] https://developer.huawei.com/consumer/cn/doc/openharmony-can... [2] https://developer.huawei.com/consumer/cn/doc/openharmony-can...
There are also some instructions for running it on Ubuntu in the pdf.
Is it a translation issue? That’s non sensical
There is a product site but it's pretty empty https://developer.huawei.com/consumer/cn/cangjie/
Documentation is chinese only https://developer.huawei.com/consumer/cn/doc/openharmony-can...
You can register for beta but you probably need a chinese ID card for that ("real name authentication") https://developer.huawei.com/consumer/cn/activityDetail/cang...
But man... the ability to cooperate & share & build a healthy growing technical ecosystem around their stuff seems sooo weak. If you want to even start to play with their (basically re-forked/re-proprietary-ized) HarmonyOS, you need to send them a government id, and their recommended getting started paths are all using some cloud workstation & cloud device testing setups. The barriers to "hello world" are enormous.
It's also super sad seeing what looked like the right thing being done then walked back on. I have a hard time reading the tea leaves, doing the Kremlinology on this, but it sure looks like in 2020 a wonderful OpenAtom OpenHarmony organization was spawned to create a less controlled more openly governed and hence much more enticing community for Harmony. They're still very active & doing great things, but Huawei went & created HarmonyNEXT & seems to have (as previously mentioned) re-forked their own Harmony & are taking it very different directions. There's so little clear information about Harmony in general that it's hard to determine how big this rift/schism really is, so maybe it's not this bad, but it sure looks wild!
I wish Harmony the best. It's be lovely to see Chinese software industry start to tap into some of the socialization of software that's lead to such a blooming of possibilities around the world. I thought OpenHarmony was an excellent first step, and I hope that can be a growing and innovative and supported community & space for these interesting efforts to advance & be seen & be something 3rd parties & lone developers can securely participate in.
I think the question would be if through China's closer alliances with other BRICS and the global South, would they feel comfortable opening up to developers outside the NATOsphere? They may have just soured on FOSS altogether, seeing as it doesn't allow them to accrue any advantage, and the West will simply ban any sharing in China's direction if US demagogues feel that it might hurt.
> you need to send them a government id, and their recommended getting started paths are all using some cloud workstation & cloud device testing setups. The barriers to "hello world" are enormous.
This seems like they're going to attempt to control things by keeping it on Chinese infrastructure, and only letting allies onto that infrastructure. Maybe that tactic might ultimately lead to China becoming a feasible alternative to US infrastructure in the rest of the world. They will probably have to understand that other people won't tolerate the sort of control they extend over their own citizens' network usage to do that. They'll either have to partition their infrastructure for export, or loosen up domestically. Chinese people are generally patriotic and know what they're up against, they don't have to be watched like children.
As the Western internet goes in the direction of the Chinese internet, maybe China can turn around and go in the other direction.
aside: I love that they didn't give this language an English name, or even a name that an English speaker would have a clue of how to pronounce.
> If they allow any dependence on a community that includes the West, it will be snatched away simply for the sake of damaging China.
I don't think the West cares, at all. In this issue in specific & in general. I'm in DC. We don't have jobs or openings to go screw with China here. Yeah, we go help our ally the Philippines when for example China is sending dudes with swords to attack resupply missions, and yeah there's some politics & optics, but the West would, I believe, love to see a successful & prosperous & healthy China rise, if it could do so without having to exploit or aggress to do so. The jobs in DC are to try to plan for & work towards a civil world. We don't have troll farms here. We don't have giant disinformation machines (well, to be fair we have Fox News & other machinery in the pockets of the ultra capitalists).
It's really hard for me to imagine what HarmonyOS sabotage would like. It's hard for me to imagine Apple or Google or Salesforce or Shopify or whomever going out of their way to go screw with a competing OS. I don't see the CIA or NSA or whomever taking action. I do think there probably is a bit of a fear/control based response Huawei is going through, but the risk of becoming ungovernable seems very low to me. You can still own and moderate an open source project, an open community. You can still steer your own open source effort.
It's so hard for me to imagine the kind of organic growth that leads to lasting success happening, if Huawei stays on such a narrow productized track for their OS. There's such a deep irony to me that the Western socialization of software has served us so so well, but so few other places seem to be able to recreate those values & get that same engagement & organic growth.
I love that they use English for all of the language’s keywords, base types, and source code examples.
It's still using English keywords, and is very similar to a mix of Python and JavaScript, touch of Java.
It's a typical modern language, but they needed their own fork to clean-up some concepts, semantics, and be independent of western platforms, for the unfortunate reason that the US and China are increasingly hostile lately. Well, mostly the US towards China.
2+ decades of IP theft and product dumping, USA finally starts reacting, gets accused of being hostile.
It would be wonderful for the US to stop threatening China. China is not threatening the US.
And what of aggressive Chinese actions around the Spratly Islands, which are carried out in violation of a very clear 2016 UNCLOS ruling? What has the US done recently to violate Chinese territorial waters in any similar sort of way?
I actually think that actions by the West over the past ~200 years really set the stage for things that are happening today, but I don't think it's fair to paint China as an innocent actor with pure intentions; they're not.
(1) Industry. Why did the US government aggressively pursue a “post-industrial” economy? China was essentially given the keys to the world’s industries by US leaders in politics and businesses. It’s natural for China, as an industrial leader, to have a bigger role in the world.
(2) Key technologies. Why did the US pursue a laissez-faire approach to high-value technologies, such as solar and battery-powered vehicles? “Let things happen” is an unrealistic economic policy for areas of the market that are winner-takes-all. It’s natural for China, as a leader in key technologies, to have a bigger world stage.
(3) Public education. Why has the US allowed high-quality, regional newspapers to implode? The public is being whipped up to ever greater frenzies by increasingly poor media, which has led to increasingly low-quality leaders, for example, in the Republican Party. It’s natural for countries with more well-informed governments, such as China, to have a larger role in the world.
Only in Chinese.
No logic programming, not as good as Verse
Pardon me while I wipe the coffee spray off my screen.
A whole lot of phone makers' dev teams just shouted in glee and gave each other fist bumps that Huawei is likely taking an expensive and doomed-to-failure detour.
(I am wondering if this is the thought process, of the PRC appointed, unskilled person pushing this change.)
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Oh no! Voting!
That seems interesting. For proprietary mobile OS I always liked BB (so much for that..), but kind of hoping the linux distros get way, way better.
1. Huawei was the largest contributor to 5G development.
2. The P20 Pro significantly advanced the state of the art in phone cameras. It was hands-down the best phone camera available at the time. Unfortunately, soon after that phone came out, the US started sanctioning Huawei in basically every conceivable way, which made them go from market leader in Europe to basically nonexistent in the West.
Huawei also did fancy stuff with their cameras during their partnership with Leica and they even started the trend of putting periscope zoom lenses in phones if I'm not mistaken.
Their SoC Kirin 970 had the first NPU when all other vendors didn't yet ship any neural acceleration in hardware.
Sure, they're probably stealing from the competition, but so does everyone else.
They're also doing remarkable stuff with modern mobile SoCs despite Western sanctions.
And yeah they're definitely stealing. Huawei has been caught pretty blatantly doing so.