What is ZIRP, and how did it impact the startup world? [video]
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1) Engineering (what software folks call hardware), especially cross-functional engineering across several fields, such as chemical and electrical.
2) Software, typically including applications of ML.
3) R&D. Research And Development, folks. The thing investors don't want you to do.
Those types of companies will almost never come out of venture capital. They start with a small founder investment (what VCs tell us is called 'bootstrapping'), significantly supported by federal government grants and contracts (the best source of funding for true R&D), and then product development and commercialization.
The ZIRP-era of pure software, VC-driven type of technology entrepreneurship tries to skip all the way to the end, scale beyond all bounds, and exit big and fast. No wonder we're experiencing groupthink, and why the Bay Area is hollowing out: in this form of technology entrepreneurship, there is no deep economic basis for growth.
In short: technology entrepreneurs should take on technology risk. That means raising capital late, not early, because investors will always be skittish about R&D and longer timeframes. And it means following your own vision first and foremost, rather than letting venture capitalists define how you see the world.
Investors are not where the action is. It is founders and early employees who built the likes of Sony, Qualcomm, General Atomics -- each of these, a real technology company.
Hard physical engineering R&D, physical infrastructure improvements, mass transit, high speed rail, etc? No.
We got B2B SaaS apps.
If ZIRP wasn't the era we could fund such long payoff projects, then when will there ever be a possibility?
SpaceX is a wonderful example of this as well. Elon Musk funded SpaceX, then investors followed much later, mostly due to StarLink and its potential, I imagine.
We need better government funding and we definitely need to re-evaulate how grants are structured, the funding tends to be very narrowly specified that you can't solve adjacent problems with the funding as it would be a violation of the terms of the grant. That sort of thing needs to be better accounted for and it isn't today, at least not always.
The issue for me is far more Crypto and AI where ridiculous amounts of money has been spent with little to show for it.
They could have advertised themselves as "we're making big long term investments in serious innovation that will maybe pay out in the distant future" and they probably could have raised money that way in an environment where money was basically free, but not as much. So instead we got "we're making the world a better place through paxos algorithms for consensus protocols."
I also used to tell many, many VCs to their face that the only reason they existed at all wasn't because they had any worthwhile insights into investing or innovation, but because tons of massive upstream capital & funds had a choice between definitely essentially losing money investing in bonds or probably losing money funneling it through their brokerage... er... venture fund. The world's least qualified kingmakers minting new American royalty, and we'll all be paying the price for it for decades.
To add insult to injury, now huge numbers of those alsoran VCs are pivoting into "deep tech" investing, and brining their inane-SaaS myopia and completely misaligned expectations along with them.
But why would the market no longer have a strong demand for money and see money as being essentially worthless? Because nobody knew what to do with it. That's why we got little out of ZIRP. ZIRP was merely a symptom of the populace not having a strong vision or direction in which to use resources. It was in reaction to the environment it took place in.
Had we had loftier goals and grander visions we'd have gotten more, but the cost would have also been much higher (i.e. ZIRP wouldn't have happened).
ZIRP happened as a long-term back-channel bailout to all the banks & funds holding the downside of the housing & derivatives market collapse. It allowed the financial sector to reinflate several asset classes that should have seen steeeeeeep declines & corrections, so that they didn't have to face insolvency.
Then on the back of that there were all these knock-on effects to cheap money, or more specifically net-negative yield on things that historically were supposed to be slow, safe value stores. One of which was epic amounts of money flooding into VC and VC making the attribution error of their access to money being correlated to their access to ability & insight, but in the prevailing environment there was no correcting feedback function for that either.
So, cheap-money became dumb-money, but sociologically we attribute lots-of-money to intelligence & capability, and from that a decade of Hundreds of Billions of Dollars of trite visionless total crap was born.
Right. The correcting function should have been everyone else noticing that they could borrow for essentially nothing and use that to fund their grand visions. The increase in demand would have necessitated an increase in interest rates to slow activity. Just as eventually happened when people finally felt they could do something with money (i.e. expansion in economic sectors where supply shocks suggested [no doubt incorrectly – but that will be another problem for another day] that increased production was needed).
It didn't happen because the vision was lacking. What was anyone going to do with it? Nobody knew what to do it. As such, nobody was borrowing in any meaningful way. At best they borrowed to buy houses, but certainly not for productive activities. Those with money didn't know what to do with it either. Lending it to those who had a vision wasn't an option. So, they simply plowed it into whatever was fashionable. And as a result, we didn't get much more than fashion in return.
ZIRP happened because the US unemployment rate went to 10%, and when that happens central banks tend to drop rates to help the economy get going again:
* https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/UNRATE
That was on the monetary side. On the fiscal side, the GOP refused to pass a large enough stimulus package—what was sent through had a large portion (40%) of tax cuts to win bipartisan support, and those, as predicted, didn't do much. So, as can see in the above graph, it was a long slog to get people employed again.
And since the fiscal side didn't do anything (thanks GOP), the Fed had to enact its mandate to fulfil employment, and since rates were already at zero, other measures were done. This is where QE came in, which many (right-leaning) folks said would cause disaster:
> We believe the Federal Reserve’s large-scale asset purchase plan (so-called “quantitative easing”) should be reconsidered and discontinued. We do not believe such a plan is necessary or advisable under current circumstances. The planned asset purchases risk currency debasement and inflation, and we do not think they will achieve the Fed’s objective of promoting employment.
* https://www.hoover.org/research/open-letter-ben-bernanke
The Keynesians said this was non-sense. The Keynesians were right (again).
And so the long grind to restore employment numbers (while watching inflation) continued for the entirety of the time Obama was in office because the GOP didn't want to help on the fiscal side. And so that left the monetary side and ZIRP and QE.
So if you don't want long-term ZIRP on the monetary side, perhaps the fiscal folks should do their jobs.
But the populous still doesn't have a strong vision or direction, and we're not in a ZIRP any more.
I think the direction or vision has nothing to do with interest rates.
You are right that it is probably not a suitable long-term vision. In fact, it seems most everyone is convinced that interest rates are going to head back towards ZIRP again soon because they don't see any long-term vision out there to sustain that demand. You are good company here.
BTW it's also the only sensible monetary policy in an economy that issues its own currency on a floating exchange rate. Paying interest on reserves or bonds is solely a policy choice and acts as a transfer payment (ie. welfare) for the rich.
Mosler also talks about interest rate policy in his debate with Murphy[2] and has a long career in finance in both a public and private capacity. I don't think you could say he hasn't paid enough attention to anything to do with interest rates!
[1] Lectures 6 & 7 in this series https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFf95BVx9Qw&list=PLYvSXI9SKG...
Their economy tanked and they switched to ZIRP in the late 90s and have been there more or less ever since, with no runaway inflation or asset bubbles.
So at best you could say that the impact of monetary policy on inflation and GDP is indeterminate, however it is more likely than not going to be inflationary because increasing interest rates increases net financial assets in the private sector by increasing transfer payments to rich people.
https://www.bea.gov/data/intl-trade-investment/international...
edit: and speaking of welfare for the rich, the $20T sucked out of the rest of the world into the US seems a lot like that.
At no point is the US federal government taking on debt denominated in a currency it does not issue (at least not in any significant amounts).
YC seems to be focusing more on whatever the buzzword topic that is trending amongst the Twitter monoculture.
Rather than educating founders on more fundamental topics such as how to get from 0-1, how to hire, fostering positive culture etc. For which there is still such little content on.
WeWork was signing leases - borrowing real estate. They went bankrupt from not being able to pay for it. This isn't the same as selling shares to VC's. Equity isn't debt.
> We see this so commonly at YC that we have a term for it. It's called a "Solution In Search of a Problem," or a SISP. And these are usually not great, because usually, you never actually find the problem. You're much better off starting with a problem, and then looking for solutions.
https://www.ycombinator.com/library/8g-how-to-get-startup-id...
Very few people have a problem that AI can currently solve. It might not _stay_ that way... but man I wonder what kind of moat a startup could build when they're just wrappers around foundation models.
A product that incorporates a foundation model could still require solving a hard engineering problem separately from the training and provision of said model. Someone who could, say, provide a reliable filter for copyrighted content from an LLM is providing real value and has a tangible moat.
My experience is that none of these things actually matter anymore. I wish they did, but my experience has been that getting any of these things right in today's environment is in the best case inconsequential to success and in the worse an actual determent.
I've worked at horrifically toxic startup cultures, but it never seemed to hurt them getting funding from outside teams that didn't care in the slightest how healthy the org was or even the product was even remotely good for customers.
I've worked at companies that literally did not know how they were every going to make a profit IPO, then continue to fail to figure this out and changed their strategy to shrug-your-shoulder-and-wait-for-the-return-of-zirp, with no observable consequences on their stock price or investor support for years. Maybe this will eventually catch up to them, but so far they've been quite successful burning a dollar to make $0.70.
I've worked at companies that hired hundreds of completely useless data scientist, filled management with toxic management consultants, driven out all the serious talent they had... with again, no real consequences.
And all of the companies I've known that checked all of your bullet points? Well they've mostly stayed small, saw revenue decline, and eventually start falling apart. All of the best companies I've worked for ended up having to get rid of all the things that made them good in order to appease investors and keep growing.
I wish that we lived in a world where your advice was correct, but I haven't seen any evidence that that is the world we actually inhabit.
Maybe there's some link between the kind of founders that YC looks to fund, and the sort of things such founders want to work on, but as far as I know YC isn't pushing them in that direction.
Which is interesting given that the last two batches had 90+% of founders being young and from SF.
So either international founders should quit running startups because they will never be great. Which is insulting.
Or YC is being a bit flexible with the truth and they do have a clear investment thesis.
The point is that YC focuses mostly on founding teams in deciding who to fund, and having funded them, focuses on supporting them in doing what they want to do.