SUSE Offers Lifeline to Stranded CentOS Users with Liberty Linux Lite
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Yes!
> with a minimum $2,500 investment required
Noooo! Why does it always seem like the tech industry hates small businesses?
I think for personal use or very small businesses that should be good enough.
It is also quite straightforward to switch between leap and SLES and back if you decide to switch your support setup.
Then they are now calling something Leap 16, but it hasnt much tot do with Leap: https://www.theregister.com/2024/01/17/opensuse_confirms_lea...
it makes sense to then also shift the open source stream in that direction, which is happening with Leap 16.
It all looks opportunistic, the total opposite of what users of such distros expect. You can built out your use of it at your peril.
I got a lot of unhappy feedback from SUSE for it, but they did not deliver solid tech info I asked for, even given 2 days to do so.
TL;DR summary: they're focussing on immutable distros now, but unlike rival efforts such as Endless (Debian + OStree) or immutable Fedora (OStree all the way down) or Ubuntu Core (Snap all the way down), SUSE implemented transactional packaging using Btrfs snapshots and plain old RPM.
So, underneath, it's structured pretty much the same as conventional SUSE. That means you can turn the immutability function off, if desired, and be left with something quite conventional.
The pricing description in the article wasn't making that clear to me.
Regardless, $2500 is more than reasonable write off expense for startup costs in almost any sector a "small-business" may operate in.
100k is more than a believable amount of revenue for a small business to have.
So is it 100 server minimum or is it $2,500 upfront plus $25 per year after that for a single server/instance?
It’s most likely because the costs of doing any business with other businesses isn’t worth it with a $25 minimum.
I hope they get some feedback and reduce the minimum, but I completely understand the rationale.
Why pay $2500 for a lot of things you don’t need to get access to one when you could just pay for the one for $25?
If I started a tow-truck company, that would be a small business. I would also expect to invest more than $2500 into my tow-truck.
I trust a tangible analogy should be sufficient to get my point across.
No, he is saying that is too much money to spend on something you don’t need.
I am confused at what the issue here is then.
The business presumably set their price for their target audience. If that price is too high then you are not the target audience.
They is venting/complaining about SUSE not caring about small companies. That is it.
The thing people don't realize is that it's not just one company like SUSE that won't sell you anything unless you can spend $2500 / year, it's everyone with their hand out asking for a few thousand dollars.
There are several places where I could justify $100 to keep a single Linux VM running for a year, but $2500 is never going to happen. I don't expect anyone to provide support, but why not sell me access for one machine for $100?
I think the article is more like "SUSE Offers Lifeline to CentOS Users with 100+ Servers".
$2500 is what a lot of them would be looking to spend on a firewall, switch, and AP (total) which would have a 5 year lifecycle. They’ll have one or two VMs on a single server. So it ends up being $2500 for a single “server” (VM) if they need Linux for something.
The tech industry is out of touch with the small business world and it’s getting worse.
There's plenty of reasons why a tow-truck company may want a server.
Regardless, clearly I was talking about a tow-truck company buying a tow-truck and not a server, as I was trying to convey that the dollar amount isn't obscene for a small business to handle.
As I am sure you're aware from your stated field of work that far more money than $2.5k is going into tools & such.
Nothing with regards to my comment was to suggest that the service one would be paying for here is worth that money. Maybe it is or isn't, that not I was commenting on.
It is purely that X amount of money was not unreasonable for a small business to expect to expense.
[1] https://wiki.almalinux.org/elevate/ELevating-CentOS7-to-Alma...
I agree that people should be moving on from CentOS 7 by now and also agree that Alma is a great target. Alma is shooting for binary compatibility with RHEL without just blindly recompiling the RHEL sources. They start with CentOS Stream just like RHEL does.
It just tends to hit RHEL/CentOS harder than other distros because they're considered "enterprise" and thus get used more by the sort of dysfunctional companies who manage themselves into dead ends.
It’s kind of scary how such an important and mainstream distro evaporated.
That means you can no longer use CentOS as a 100% clone of RHEL that allows you to avoid paying for RHEL if what you need is exactly RHEL.
CentOS Stream is still available and still does everything RHEL does ( more really since the software will be newer ) but no longer guarantees bug-for-bug compatibility with RHEL. So it is a real alternative if you just want the functionality but not an option if what you really require is guaranteed compatibility.
SUSE is offering a 100% bug-for-bug RHEL compatible distro along with commercial support. It costs $25 per server with a $2500 minimum spend.