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I felt invoking the original Macintosh tagline "For The Rest of Us" to describe what feels like a hastily shoved together selection of OpenAI API calls and some aesthetically tasteless diffusion models particularly strange.

Not to mention the reveal was extremely strange and almost felt like they were not releasing anything at all for the first 15 minutes before they showed it in action, almost felt very self conscious.

I feel that level of tagline should have only been invoked when they truly manage to ship something on even the baseline of their competitors today in a (wishfully) local and secure way.

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Apple Intelligence doesn't use OpenAI at all. Siri and writing tools can tap into ChatGPT to compose text, e.g. create a story but that requires approval from the user. Claiming that all Apple did was "hastily shoved together selection of OpenAI API calls" is a misrepresentation of what Apple showed.

I think you disagree with yourself? How is Apple AI not using ChatGPT if Siri uses ChatGPT? You said it yourself. Heck, Apple said it themselves.

The fact that there is a prompt asking for permission doesn't change that. Maybe some parts of the AI in iPhone don't use ChatGPT but others do, as advertised.

> Apple Intelligence doesn't use OpenAI at all. Siri and writing tools can tap into ChatGPT to compose text, e.g. create a story but that requires approval from the user.

https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2024/06/introducing-apple-int...

"chatgpt" has 26 mentions here. And the title of the relevant part is:

"ChatGPT Gets Integrated Across Apple Platforms"

Apple Intelligence is run on-device and on Apple's Private Cloud Compute, it does not use OpenAI. Apple also allows ChatGPT (and later other models) to be called directly from Siri and writing tools, in cases where Apple Intellgence can't solve the task. That is for example for when some text should be composed, like a story or recipe. Nothing about this contradicts with what I have written previously.

Yeah so it seems we agree, Apple resorts to third party AI for some tasks.

"Apple Intelligence" is a strange marketing driven name because it implies to the tech naive that all AI in an iPhone is offline.

When in fact "Apple Intelligence" is just the name for some of the AI functionalities in Apple devices. Some functionalities will still send data to ChatGPT and perhaps other third party providers in the future.

But Apple gets to advertise "Apple Intelligence" as privacy conscious, offline, personal AI and still be technically correct. Classic.

It's very clear when ChatGPT gets involved - you get a prompt asking you if you want to send the query to ChatGPT ("ChatGPT" being referred to by name). There's no feasible way to have your data sent to ChatGPT unintentionally.

Anyway, ChatGPT was a very small portion of the Apple Intelligence demo. The significant majority of the functionality they showed (all the non-ChatGPT stuff) was on-device or in Apple's Private Cloud Compute, the privacy story for which is quite good.

Does it ask every time?

It certainly appears so; every demo they showed makes it very apparent when you’re taking the step of starting to interact with ChatGPT. Starting at 01:36:09: https://www.youtube.com/live/RXeOiIDNNek?si=GZu_U8pFxfhLYCNt

It's as if apple had a pair of visionary co-founders who are no longer with the company and the people left are excellent at getting things done but don't have an intuitive understanding of what people want.

Correct but I would argue after Siri hasn’t improved in 15 years they can’t even execute to get things done

Hence the WwDC was no live demos and all “future promised” features we have seen everywhere else already

I don't know why apple passed on kuato (the next version of Siri from SRI.) I think it was around the time Jobs was getting seriously ill.

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