First randomized trial of Ozempic for alcoholism shows big drops in drinking
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This to me at least makes one suspicious that this pathway is very deep in the reward subsystems of the brain, and is not just specific to say appetite and food.
What are the long-term effects of Ozempic use on these pathways? I am not sure we know?
For example, will people who have taken long-term Ozempic be less likely to do startups because their reward seeking behavior is altered?
It will take many years (decades?) before we get a complete picture of all the downstream effects of this.
Now, if someone is morbidly obese, severely diabetic, has heart disease, etc, I think it is pretty obvious that the benefits outweigh the risks. However, if it is used as an "easy" way for weight-control, especially long-term, I think there are still questions.
If you look back at the history of medicines, we do have a history of "wonder drugs" - see for example Heroin or even the COX-2 inhibitors (Vioxx) that later in retrospect had some major caveats.
I’m down 60+ lbs so far.
Like after a big meal at Thanksgiving. Where it just wouldn't be comfortable to continue.
I'm so very nervous about the side effects, I know a lot of people like this. My faith is shook and I worry but I could never argue against it either.
Rooting for them/you to complete the journey and get off this shit successfully asap and never relapse.
Good luck buddy! Life changing !
All doctors will have their lenses for which they view problems.
Psychological, pharmaceutical, nutritional, etc.
What is the AA industrial complex? I think you are imagining things.
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https://www.fractyl.com/fractyl-health-demonstrates-signific...
That's fascinating.
Perennial light sleeper, couldn't drink caffeine either due to extreme long half life and sleep issues. On it, fall asleep at night like a "normal" person for the first time. Able to drink coffee too. I chalked that up to the fact it does have a bit of a drowsiness effect, but... then I noticed I was just having a bit less back pain. Noticed my tingling in feet and muscle fasciculation was down.
I've been on and off it now ever since, but I take lower doses/breaks since I don't need it for weight. But I was getting "attacks" of inflammation every ~6 months, since doing it for 1.5 years not a single attack (knock on wood).
My thought there is - yes fasting is great for a lot of things and maybe helped, but I can't help but think it's other effect. I've tried a lot of things, even other peptides that supposedly work and had 0 effects across hundreds of supplements. This stuff had huge effects.
The friend I can't speak to much, simply that they told me they started it and without my prompting told me a couple months later about the allergy thing.
I wonder how that works!
Also, curious what type of allergy the friend has, and what type of relief.
All of those are at least sometimes undesirable.
I suppose the biggest example of such a faustian weight-loss drug would be Fen-Phen, and it's issues were discovered within a few years of its rise to prominence.
The demand must be insane.
I wonder if the issues fulfilling the orders of the actual drug product or the overly complex (and highly wasteful) drug delivery mechanism.?
Unlike Eli Lilly (who use chemical synthesis for Zepbound) they use yeast for synthesis and have decided not to contract out production to protect manufacturing trade secrets which makes ramping up slower, have to wait for their Denmark plant upgrade to come online.
The problem at the core is not like the shortages we have in Germany for basic stuff like general fever and pain medication, that's usually due to other countries just bidding more... for Ozempic, it's that virtually every single person gets blasted with joyful weight loss stories by influencers, demand for it is insane, and Novo Nordisk can't keep up with manufacturing despite the growth of the company being enough to account for the economic growth of the entire country of Denmark [2].
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semaglutide#Generics
[2] https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-12-19/ozempic-obesity-diabe...
> One of the conditions of section 503A restricts compounded drugs that are essentially copies of commercially available drugs, but FDA does not consider a drug to be commercially available when it appears on FDA’s drug shortages list.
I know for a fact you can obtain compounded semaglutide.
Is it working as a generic craving reducer to some extent? So helps with whatever your vice may be?
Do the other similar drugs do the same thing?
i suspect it's generalizable to all forms of addiction, but who knows
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- Current engagement in alcohol treatments, or currently engaged in intentional efforts to quit alcohol use
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no, it isn't. many trials offer financial compensation -- they may not be seeking treatment but rather just a payout.
https://fortune.com/europe/2024/05/01/novo-nordisk-market-va...
I was diagnosis ADHD as a kid. Since being on Ozempic I have noticed no difference in ability to hold attention.
2005 was the first.