Child development is absolutely dependent on how much language the child hears and reads, and is measured by child language development milestones that are waymarked by age down to the month.
Learning to read earlier should serve to maximize IQ. This is bog standard child development science. Learning to read will not hinder playtime nor social skills.
You likely can't talk to a child enough. Consider all children to have a language input deficit that is highly relevant to development. What reading does is allow the child to self ameliorate that deficit as soon as possible.
Talk and read to children as much as they can stand, starting in the womb if one wishes. Teach them to read as early as possible. No one actively should be trying to hinder child cognitive development so that children ostensibly better fit in socially. That's not how social skills work, besides.
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> child language development milestones that are waymarked by age down to the month
is totally false. It is quite known that developmental milestones are acquired by children in different times and even in different orders and sequences. This "down to the month" is pure non-sense for most of the milestones.
Young children are better served to be guided by their own curiosity, interest and exploration drives and which parents feed with variable inputs and building upon, rather than by anxious parents feeding them with whatever terabytes of exploitation-intended information they think is gonna "serve to maximize IQ".
Yes, reading to kids in certain ways (using numbers/spatial relationships/theory of mind stuff/interactively) has been found in some studies to correlate with certain outcomes but there is nothing to suggest a totally linear relationship such that talking to a kid 24/7 since the womb is gonna produce the next Einstein.
I'm a clinician who works in child development pathology, which is why I commented. You have zero idea of what you are talking about. Your unprofessional hyperbole and willful misconstrual of clear statements aside.
>"have never heard or read anybody make such claims that you consider "bog standard child development science"
Reconsider your profession.
>This "down to the month" is pure non-sense for most of the milestones
"Most", you say? Which is it? Are some milestones down to the month and some not? Or are all not down to the month?
"Down to the month" is shorthand for a normative developmental window. So "down to a limited window of months, which together comprise a large percentage of the child's age in months".
Is that better meaningful communication on a public board? Some would instead say "too long and unnecessary". Avoiding such communication being a core communication skill. Or perhaps you are too, say, "bothered" to be able to allow for meaningful communication devices in public. Get a grip.
Those limited, often overlapping, windows assist in defining service eligibility. Overlapping means that differently ordered milestones are possible. Your "different times" of milestone acquisition is limited to the very limited normative windows. Per both the standardized clinical knowledge body and each individual State that adopts those standards. As an expert, you'd know that all normed measurements are subject to statistical deviations in development but sure as heck are also limited by the same. This is super basic. Also, it is generally unnecessary to explain normed scores, normed milestones, and basic statistical concepts on HN. But thanks for the variously pedantic and wrong corrections.
>Young children are better served to be guided by their own curiosity, interest and exploration drives and which parents feed with variable inputs and building upon,
"Variable inputs" is too vague as to be meaningless as an argument. "Building upon" generally refers to scaffolding, which is a single tool used in certain circumstances or when otherwise appropriate. Beyond that, who said that implied basic interaction / play techniques are excluded?
I'm speaking of total language exposure over years, from a host of sources.
"better served" is unprofessional and unclear language. If you mean to say that child curiosity and interest should replace talking and reading to them as much as possible, then you are dead wrong and should reconsider your line of work. However, the reality is that these are not mutually exclusive activities and so at the least we can conclude that your correction is unnecessary (and weird). Many if not most children crave more such interaction than they receive.
>rather than by anxious parents
Who said anything about anxiety? Speaking and reading to children is a natural activity. Some parents do it more than others. Some parents neglect it more than is healthy for a child's development. The constant being that more of it is better for development. If you are trying to argue that point, I'll move on from "find a new line of work" to "I don't believe you in your statement about your line of work".
>feeding them with whatever terabytes of exploitation-
"Terabytes of exploitation"? What? You don't work in child development research, at least not in any meaningful way.
>intended information they think is gonna "serve to maximize IQ".
Its not debatable that maximizing language input, from an early age, maximizes developmental potential. That doesn't mean, nor did I imply, that parents need to do anything but the best that they can in providing children with language stimulation. That means being at least superficially aware of and respecting the relevant developmental science, and trying to meet the best standard that they can in light of it. You seem to have an issue reading extremes into things , which in turn leads to your use of truly bizarre language.
- I interpreted the comment in the context of the answer to a specific article/interview. In the linked content, for example, there is a video of a 2.5yo doing a "flashcard class". While I do not think there is anything inherently harmful or anything, it is not a way that 2.5yos learn about the world, and even if it is not harmful it is not needed for 2.5yos to sit on a chair and doing a class to learn about the world. Their curiosity and own exploration drive is enough for pulling them into learning, and this is what I mean by parents should feed, ie see what their kids are most curious and interested in and feeding them inputs to that direction. The comment you answered to was referring to this article, and I interpreted your answer in that context. If I misinterpreted anything, I can only see the context that is shared here, not in your mind.
- To reiterate and clarify more on the context, "Speaking and reading to children is a natural activity" is _not_ what OP was about. What OP was about is applying a specific strategy for kids at 2+ years, ie to learn to read using a specific exploitation-based approach. If that is all you meant by your previous comment, then you may want to reread the comment you answered to from that perspective. Nobody here is saying "leave the kids do what they want and do not care about interacting with them much/talking around them" that you seem to suggest. When I say parents building upon kids' own curiosity and exploration drive I mean seeing what sort of inputs their kids become more curious and interested in at a certain time and feeding them inputs like that. When a kid starts being interested in sounds and music, feed them with sounds and music and sound/music-related books and toys. There is no handbook that is gonna say which month and day exactly this should happen for a specific kid.
- I may miss a lot of knowledge indeed, but I still find setting goals of "maximising language exposure" and "maximising IQ" weird and unclear. No, I have never read or heard this way of approaching development and learning. Parents doing their best and being mindful of the importance of language exposure is different than "maximising" anything. Maximising with respect to which parameters? Even defining this as an optimisation problem, any complex optimisation problem like this is a tradeoff between different parameters and outcomes. What happens to the other parameters and outcomes when you optimise on just one?
- If "you do not speak the jargon" is what you prefer to focus, just say that and any more discussion will not be needed.
sounds like you take research at it's word instead of understanding the fundamental ideas and concepts that are being explored...classic white coat thinks the book is right and everyone else is wrong
We could just as easily speculate that these children can help their friends understand the world and become closer with peers as a result.
We aren't talking about locking them up for years to focus on reading, it's just a bit of spaced repetition.
> A four year old with a 3rd grade reading ability learns about a WHOLE lot more -- it opened up politics for her. She would read our junk mail, and learn who our council member was, who our representative is, the mayor, current events, history, etc. I know it's stupid of me to say, but I underestimated the effect that reading early would have on her breadth of learning.
(most) kids will learn how to interact with the rest of society at one point.
I'm so happy I wasn't politically aware until I was older
condemning a 4-year-old to mostly interact with other 4-year-olds is appalling. other 4-year-olds are ignorant, impulsive, insensitive, and often cruel. everyone deserves the ability to ground themselves in the adult world, and literacy is a crucial tool for doing so, because books can't discriminate against you the way adults will
you cannot gravitate toward pursuits you don't know about. deliberately keeping a child ignorant is detestable
and none of this takes away from play; play does not depend on ignorance but on imagination
I don't understand your point. Other 4 year olds are ignorant/impulsive/insensitive but not yours?
>everyone deserves the ability to ground themselves in the adult world
As a children I had zero interest in doing that. There may be children way different than I was, but I think speech, ability to express emotion, self-worth, etc are way more important for this than (very) early reading skills.
>deliberately keeping a child ignorant is detestable
Come on, nobody talks about raising an analphabete children. The topic was about (not) speeding up the learning process extremely, and (not) leting kids learn this skill at a more usual pace.
There always has to be someone pretending to not understand.
The books were completely uncensored early American history, I am still not sure what the heck they were doing in an elementary school. When I say uncensored, it was raw brutal rape and pillage history.
At the time I read around a high school level, about a year later I'd be tested at college level.
I spent the next 2 or 3 hours engrossed in a text about the founding of America. It was one of those foundational experiences for me, and it was only possible because of I was reading far above my grade level.
(Fwiw I learned to read playing final fantasy on the NES and going through the strategy guide well over a hundred times! No Anki needed!)
no, all 4-year-olds are. it's a major reason adults discriminate against them. but it becomes much worse when it's not just you but everyone around you
> leting kids learn this skill at a more usual pace.
for almost all of human history, the usual pace left adults unable to read without moving their lips, or at all. either the pace you're used to is suboptimal, or that one was, but more likely both. to know which direction is better, you have to listen to people whose experiences diverge significantly from what is usual. there are lots of us here in this thread, and we're unanimously telling you that what is usual is below what is optimal. so far below, i'd say, that you could reasonably call it institutionalized child abuse