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Decades of fear spread by the Greens (Bündnis 90/Die Grünen) and the media have made any argument in favor of nuclear power a waste of time in Germany. It's really sad that the party which stands for climate protection and the environment is the main culprit for shutting down nuclear power in Germany, thereby keeping coal power running for now.

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Looks as if all the anti nuclear attitudes was inspired by somebody with a load of gas and 2 big pipes...

German Greens lost big in elections last Sunday.

They should have repositioned to support nuclear, increase VAT, reduce waste, plant trees... there are so many battles they could have taken on!

I think they are so corrupted, they los their only reason to be.

To single out the only party in Germany that opposed NS2, that wanted to get away from Russian gas when 90% of Germans were against that, that wanted to supply Ukraine with weapons - all prior to the Ukraine invasion - and to pretend that they are in bed with Russians only shows how fucking clueless you are.

To be fair, the Greens were the only party to oppose Nord Stream 2. However, they did support (and where in power togehter with the SPD) the construction of Nord Stream 1, which was already part of the Energiewende plan, as cheap gas was (and still is) required for it.

On the other hand they were in government when the Nord Stream 1 agreement was made official and building began.

Sure, Russia that exports nuclear power plants and processes 50% of the world's uranium wants to get others' off of nuclear energy, when it's the energy source they have the tightest grip on.

How much money is in nuclear fuel vs gas? And how much power can russia enforce over countries addicted to its gas?

Well, we still don't even have a solution for nuclear waste. It's not like nuclear has no problems.

Of course there are solutions. Look at Finland.

Also, how many nuclear waste death do we have per year? How much do we pay for it's current storage? How does it change the climate? How much nuclear waste is there even? There is no nuclear waste problem. It's FUD.

Finland's Posiva long-term disposal plant are still doing trial runs after 40 years of work:

https://www.posiva.fi/en/index/news/pressreleasesstockexchan...

> Well, we still don't even have a solution for nuclear waste.

We do. The requirement for hugely complex disposal sites is mostly a political one. There's very little long-term hazardous waste that we need to take care of, and we already know how to store it for a very long time.

Only 0.2% of all waste is long term highly radioactive: https://international.andra.fr/sites/international/files/202...

Ah yes, let's solely blame the party for the shut down the previous government ordered.

The shut down was decided on in 2000 under Schröder's Red-Green government. All following decision where just on how fast the shutdown had to happen.

>Decades of fear spread by the Greens (Bündnis 90/Die Grünen) and the media have made any argument in favor of nuclear power a waste of time

Actually it's exclusively cost that made it a waste of time. The (quite valid) safety concerns are just a cherry on top of the staggering cost.

As it is sophisticated private insurers view it as too risky which is why the taxpayer has to step up to lavish the industry with free insurance against $800 billion Fukushima type events: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price-Anderson_Nuclear_Industr...

Even before that the LCOE is 5x solar and wind. No, the reduced storage requirement doesn't bring 5x down to 1x. Not even close.

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