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> curious about why nobody from Chiquita went to prison for financing a terrorist group

It looks like the people who could be held individually criminally liable were in Colombia [1]. (I also imagine Chiquita gets points for notifying the DoJ versus getting caught.)

> Random Afghans and Iraqis were kidnapped for Guantanamo or outright murdered for less

To be fair, there is a world of difference between financing a foreign terrorist group and financing one that is attacking Americans. (That and we're cavalier with the lives of South Americans.)

[1] https://www.justice.gov/archive/opa/pr/2007/March/07_nsd_161...

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And why were those Iraqis attacking American soldiers? Perhaps because the US invaded Iraq?

You're claiming that Iraqi's were so happy under Saddam's reign, that some even fought for him?

Never underestimate people defending their home. Remember the Serbs going out with targets painted on their t-shirts when NATO (read “USA”) was bombing Belgrade? Of course that was the 90’s.

First protest of Iraq was in 1991, but a decades long dictator ofc. has severe military superiority.

A lot of Iraqi's were a big fan of toppling Saddam.

Note : not saying it was a good idea with what we know now.

And about Serbia. The bombing from "NATO" with a focus on military targets made it possible for it's population to overthrow Milosevic by the citizens a year later.

The boots on the ground in this case were the Serbs themselves. From my POV, NATO only provided air-support for them.

> A lot of Iraqi's were a big fan of toppling Saddam.

The real problem with statements like that is that we can say it about literally any leader.

That already encountered a coup? That barely happens in a democracy.

Do you remember the insurgency at the Capitol?

Or Ukraine, 2014.

That's not a coup. That's a Russian invasion. Not Ukrainians.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_green_men_(Russo-Ukra...

The coup preceded the little green men ..

> Do you remember the insurgency at the Capitol?

Yes, we get our share of Emperor Nortons [1] and sovereign citizens [2]. Those aren't coups. At best, they're idiotically-attempted coups.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Norton

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_citizen_movement

>At best, they're idiotically-attempted coups.

I am tempted to add an image of Jack Sparrow saying, But you've heard of me.

That aside, US would not fall for a coup because of the strong institutions in place. But these places are not that mature in its institutions. So they would fall. It doesn't mean that a similar sentiment is not present in US. And for all the talk of the freedom and democracy US always prefers demagogues and dictators in other parts of the world, as long as US can control them.

The Capitol insurgency and the stop the steal was pretty popular, but it is not a reason for another country to lie and invade this place. Same should have been applied to Iraq. That's all.

Why do people take that so serious ? As if a bunch of preppers could topple law enforcement, feds, cia and the most powerful army in the world. I mean come on. It belonged on Jerry Springer.

That's not a "planned" coup.

Those were idiots under the hype of a wannabe dictator with propaganda influence very similar to Russia.

Great video about it here: https://www.vox.com/2018/8/31/17804104/strikethrough-lies-pr...

Irrelevant to the discussion.

Just to be clear, neither Afghanistan, nor Iraq were responsible for 9/11.

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