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I don't mind paying for quality software, which I considered 1Password v7 to be. However, their recent v8 launch has soured me on the company pretty severely. The macOS app is a pretty dramatic downstep and their focus on a browser extension over a system/menubar app is frustrating to say the least.

I don't know if Apple Passwords will be a perfect fit for me, I'm hoping someone shares a deep dive on the product soon because I'm not in a position to use the beta, but I'm happy to see some more competition in the space.

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What’s the problem with it exactly?

I’m using it on iPad, macOS, iOS and windows 10 and 11. Seems per much the same as it’s always been.

I’ve got the family using it too.

Just curious what issues other people are experiencing.

It's very much a "death by a thousand cuts" situation - I'm not a fan of the removal of 1Password mini which was my primary interaction with 1Password, especially for the common workflow of password generation/account lookup.

It seems their focus is to drive this into the browser extension but that doesn't cover all of my use cases - I very often need to generate a login password _outside_ the context of a browser and doing so now requires me to open the application and create a new password and save that record while before it was one click away in the menubar.

I'm also annoyed that we're no longer able to define which vaults are included in "all vaults" and the inability to simultaneously disable the browser extension from injecting their UI into websites (the login icons, blue input fields, etc) while keeping the prompt to save a login when a new one is detected.

What about the universal shortcut for triggering 1P across the mac? And autofill within applications? I think the newest redesign is extremely powerful. I wanted to hate it at first but I give big kudos to the 1P team for how thoughtfully engineered the Mac version is. iOS and Windows not as much.

Another classic issue of a "death by a thousand cuts" situation— you cannot hide the Mac menu bar icon and still keep the background agent running unlike 1Password 7 (Discussion from 2022 silently closed without any resolution here: https://1password.community/discussion/129305/latest-1passwo...).

They've constantly been downgrading the quality and the polish of the macOS app, just for "cross-platform" feature parity- leading to a subpar experience everywhere (Windows is a whole another can of worms).

> I'm hoping someone shares a deep dive on the product soon

I have the app open in front of me but haven’t used it much. It’s basically the Passwords pane from System Settings ripped out and with some new fixed smart categories. If that’s enough for you, so will the app be. If not, not.

I agree with you. V7 was good enough that I’d have paid for it over using Apple. But v8 has had me looking for an alternative anyway.

…but v8 is perfectly fine! I remember a lot of buzz about v8 being slow “because it’s electron” but it’s not slow. I use it on multiple laptops without any issues at all.

I'm glad it's working for you. I use v8 every day on my work machine. My complaints aren't about the speed of the application, but rather the reduced features and removal of any menubar app functionality that was present in v7. I'm not a fan of the UI changes, personally; I don't know why everything needs to have _so much_ space, but I could ignore that.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of Electron, and I'd prefer it have remained a native app, but that alone wouldn't be enough for me to jump ship. And I'm not even claiming alternatives are better than v8; it's simply that v7 was much better, and I'm actively looking for alternatives.

Why does every app need a menu bar? Why not just Cmd+Shift+Space to get the universal menu to open?

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