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Does families having fewer number of children contribute to this? The most local community would be children that live under the same roof.

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It’s not just a lack of siblings, it’s also a smaller number of extended relations of a similar age, i.e. cousins.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/cousins-decline-canada-1.7103...

Yes. We live in a lovely neighborhood. My daughter knows and talks to all our neighbors. She plays outside and can even walk to some neighbors kids houses and we increasingly let her.

However talking to other parents about what it was like when their kids were growing up... The streets were filled with kids. Now we have couples who don't have any...

I hope they do.

Luckily our neighbors are nice and have a kid and hopefully another.

> Does families having fewer number of children contribute to this?

It could have decades ago, when kids still had places to go. Not now.

I had 5 who spent their childhood persistently locked away in one adult construct or another - because there was/is no local community. Within their reach were roads and private property and that's about it. They were in the same boat as most other US kids.

How would you (could one) change this, Waron? Just throwing something out there, not a carefully thought out How.

My kids faced the same situation, though at least the neighbors also had kids. I think that parents have to revolt en masse against saturating their kids with extracurriculars. One family going it alone is going to have lonesome kids.

The competitiveness has to go away -- the feeling that your kids have to be 100% occupied in order to give them a fighting chance in the future.

Schools need to back off on homework.

The problem there is college. You'd have to either make college admissions much less "holistic", or make sure there are non-college paths to success (something people have been trying hard for many years with little success), or both.

You almost hit on it, but I think the real problem is the economy got worse first. That trickled down to increase pressure in college and high school.

Or just go to a state school. My alma mater apparently has an 87% acceptance rate. My extracurriculars were playing Counter Strike, Battlefield 2, and WoWcrack. It doesn't seem to have had any negative effect on my life.

Both of my kids did just fine at state schools. One at the state "flagship" university, and the other at one of the regional schools.

This has to be some segment of the middle-class and especially newly-upper-middle-by-income-but-not-socialization running into this trouble. Parents “under” that set just send their kids to [name of state] State where OK test scores and grades do the job. That’s a large majority of parents of college-bound kids, right there.

Parents “above” that set let the legacy admissions advantage and golfs-with-Ivy-admissions-officers prep school counselor sort it out.

Kids seriously looking to get into highly-selective schools are a minority.

This does mean you’re opting your kids out of elite schools by not playing that game from an early age, but hey, you and everybody (the colloquial “everybody”—most folks) else.

What I observed in my neighborhood is that the school playgrounds which used to be unfenced were essentially secondary parks. But they have since been “locked down”, removing more places kids once could just go to hang out in our paved over subrbia. I also had the benefit of an undeveloped forest behind my house to go explore and play in, but I don’t think most kids these days have access to that without an adult driving them to such a location. Walkability to nature is a big plus.

> most other US kids

Doubt that. The majority of kids in the US are living in suburbs or cities, both places with lots of community. What you're describing sounds distinctly rural.

Some cities-yes, but vast majority of us suburbs are not designed to promote community, rather the opposite and many cities were buldozed so much that a community existing there is rather an exception

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