The proliferation of dongles and adapters is a function of Apple's apparent ultimate goal of moving everything possible to wireless. The Vision Pro doesn't even have a way to connect external devices. I think that's intentional.
Yes, it's a huge limitation right now. Over time, all of those dongles has led to more and more peripherals supporting Bluetooth. Bluetooth has gotten better in the process.
You'll be sitting next to someone on a plane with a fully self-contained headset. They may have peripherals in their carryon, but you won't see them. The era of the "personal area network" is almost here, it's just hard to see because we're in a transitional period still.
Look at external drives; how is wireless going to replace this anywhere? Bluetooth can't even hit SATA speeds, much less 4k streaming speeds without re-encoding and compressing the source material. You might get somewhere with WiFi Direct, but Apple doesn't support that in the first place and requires people to use their proprietary alternatives.
Seriously, I want you to sit down and ask yourself one question. If Macs went full-wireless tomorrow, do you sincerely believe that the majority of Mac owners wouldn't own new wireless dongles?
I understand this argument and see where you're coming from, but I just don't agree.
Can you provide examples of where Apple has substituted non-standard connectivity where standard-compliant would have worked as well?
You mentioned Lightning. That's a great example from my perspective: I was enthusiastic about the move to USB-C on iPhone. Now that it's happened, my opinion has changed. I actually miss the lightning connector now that it's gone in that role. I can look around my office and find a dozen Lightning cables, all of which are very old and still work just as well as they did initially. I've never had to replace a Lightning jack on a device, and the only cables I've tossed over the years are ones where my kids wore out the cable itself through repetitive stress. In retrospect, I find Lightning to be a superior connector to USB-C.
It sucks that we have a mix of both right now, but that's a consequence of Lightning having failed to gain wider adoption, not of it being a bad product.
From my perspective, it feels like you're seeing Apple in the role of Microsoft in the 90s: basically "embrace, extend, extinguish". I 100% agree that Apple is doing the first two steps of that, but I can't think of an example where they've even attempted to extinguish the competing standard and capture the market. As far as I can see, wherever Apple has made decisions counter to the prevailing standard, they did so because the path they chose was more compelling overall.
I leave open the possibility that I'm just not seeing the "evil" aspects here through myopia.
> Look at external drives; how is wireless going to replace this anywhere? Bluetooth can't even hit SATA speeds, much less 4k streaming speeds without re-encoding and compressing the source material.
I think we're agreeing here - the future I'm predicting isn't here yet. The tech hasn't caught up to Apple's vision. The status quo is far from optimal.
> You might get somewhere with WiFi Direct, but Apple doesn't support that in the first place and requires people to use their proprietary alternatives.
The difference here seems to be the way we're framing it.
You seem to be saying that fully wireless isn't possible right now, so products should be built with that in mind.
I'm saying that Apple wants fully wireless devices, and is willing to compromise usability in their devices for much of the market in order to move closer to their vision. I believe they're doing that intentionally to drive the development of the necessary technology to make it a reality.
Firewire was once the gold standard for external storage, especially if you were working with video. Firewire "lost" that battle and USB-C "won" - but we now have external storage devices with the transfer speeds necessary to work with large files directly on the external device. Once that became apparent, Apple killed Firewire support. In fact, they killed it earlier than a lot of people would have preferred. People were left with lots of money invested in Firewire hardware that simply didn't work with the next generation of Apple devices.
If Apple was trying to kill off USB-C, it would have made much more sense to go all-in on Firewire back when it still had a chance. Instead, they killed it when it was still superior to USB-C - a format that they did not control - because they judged that the market was moving that direction and that USB-C would soon catch up.
> Seriously, I want you to sit down and ask yourself one question. If Macs went full-wireless tomorrow, do you sincerely believe that the majority of Mac owners wouldn't own new wireless dongles?
I'm truly trying to discuss this with an open mind, and consider your perspective fully. I do see where you're coming from. Most of your conclusions I agree with. The only place where we seem to actually disagree is on what we judge Apple's motivations to be.
To answer your question: yes, if Macs were fully wireless tomorrow, there would be a plethora of adapters.
Apple would release their own. They'd be expensive, but they would work well. Third-party adapters would be cheaper, but they'd be less robust and either only partially implement the standards or would be almost as expensive as Apple's.
... but I believe that hardware manufacturers would soon start supporting the wireless standard by default. Prices for those devices would come down quickly, and before long non-Apple devices would support it as well. At the end of the day, the entire ecosystem would benefit. Non-Apple devices would have physical ports for much longer, and as a result would be easier to use and require fewer adapters. During that transitional period, Apple products would cost their users more because of all the required adapters.
Bottom line: I see Apple as developing a vision for the near future and designing their products to match that vision. Their doing so drives the market as a whole to improve and makes everyone's lives easier at the end of the day. That works for Apple because they see their market as being more affluent and able to bear the cost of forcing these advancements.
I don't think that's evil. I think it's a rational tradeoff. You don't have to agree with me on that :)
I'll do you one better, actually; here's an entire product category full of it: https://mfi.apple.com/
> It sucks that we have a mix of both right now, but that's a consequence of Lightning having failed to gain wider adoption, not of it being a bad product.
And why did that happen? Couldn't possibly be because the Lightning connector is license and patent-encumbered whereas USB is a freely-implemented standard.
You make it sound like Lightning was a legitimate competitor. It was a lost cause, with Apple being the single advocate for it's adoption and refusing to concede on any of the connector's pain-points. It could have gone up against MicroUSB and still lost.
> Firewire "lost" that battle and USB-C "won"
Specifically because Apple worked with the industry to create a USB-compliant standard to supersede FireWire (Thunderbolt). Now that we have Thunderbolt it really feels stupid that FireWire even existed in the first place.
> If Apple was trying to kill off USB-C, it would have made much more sense to go all-in on Firewire back when it still had a chance.
Not really, since FireWire was still a minority connector and they could have literally never forced the entire industry to support it.
> I don't think that's evil. I think it's a rational tradeoff. You don't have to agree with me on that :)
Then surely you won't disagree with the people that get angry when Apple spurns Open standards in favor of less functional proprietary options.
All Apple has to do, to avoid criticism, is offer both as an option. Users will gravitate towards whichever product they prefer, which is a concept foreign to Apple called "competition".
Apple to kill standard is hard, especially you seems to hear the phrase embrace, extend and extinct … but that is for guy with market share of 80 if not nearly 100%.
For little guy (strange argument but look at market share) it can only innovate and keep on moving so no one just copy you (android) and go cheap. That is the Apple only game play. It never the first mostly (xerox …) but it somehow find the pain point and solve user issues.
The problem of Apple is not many area left (unless we do not know when we are using terminal like device whilst someone invent music) and it may go extinct in the long term, by copycat …
I suspect I'm just getting old :)