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Hetzner lowers pricing of Intel cloud servers

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Been using Hetzner Cloud for 18 months now, for various servers. Has proven incredibly reliable. Together with a very clear and straightforward management panel and unbeatable (AFAIK) performance/pricing, I haven't found a downside. A good alternative to their dedicated servers (which are also great) if you need more flexibility or less capacity.

I've been a happy customer of Netcup for many years now. If you don't need automation but just servers which you know you'll be running for years, they have a better price/performance ratio than Hetzner. But you should wait for their seasonal discounts, like easter, summer or the like, where they have really good offerings. Hetzner is more professional, though.

Their ARM boxes are still a bit cheaper, but with the Intel prices being that close now it's probably worth the small premium just to not have to juggle two different architectures for container images.

Unless you're an all-Mac shop I suppose, then ARM servers would be the path of least resistance.

Or use java. Write once, run everywhere. I am still amazed, that the switch to arm was so easy.

Same here, everything just worked on their arm. Podman, fedora core os via terraform, mvnw, jabbaw Just checkout and run. Awsome experience.

I even could make a Quarkus native build with graalvm on the machine.

They had a lot of room after 3x'ing the prices a year or two ago, passing on their increased electricity costs.

They wouldn't have had such increased energy costs had their data centers not been in Germany. There's a reason most are in the Nordics, UK, France etc. cold-ish places and/or with cheap energy.

They did put up their prices in Holland and Finland datacenters.

Electricity in the UK is ~20% more than in Germany (according to the UK government https://www.gov.uk/government/statistical-data-sets/internat...) so there isnt really a good reason to put the UK on that list.

I am a bit confused with your comment. We at Hetzner don't have any data centers in Holland. --Katie

My appologies - I was misremembering your locations. Germany and Finland and indeed no Amsterdam.

No worries. It can be hard to keep all the different providers' locations straight. --Katie

The trip through their DC that is on YouTube (that I found on HN) actually stated that they use electricity for ac just a few times per year during most extreme heat days.

IIRC it was around 33% increase, not 3x.

Good timing for everyone that keeps "complaining" that the "cloud" is expensive. This cloud isn't just AWS. There are lots of options.

If you believe Hetzner is a “cloud” platform like AWS, just because they offer VPSs and some form of block storage, you might want to explore beyond the EC2 section of your AWS console.

Doesn't mean you can't replace the EC2 parts with Hetzner cloud. If you believe I said Hetzner = AWS just because I said it's also a cloud then what can I do...

Everything comes in different shapes and forms. Just because it's not AWS "cloud" doesn't mean it is useless.

It does mean you can't just replace EC2 because the AWS egress bandwidth costs will eat you alive.

I'm shocked DOJ has not gone after cloud providers for using egress bandwidth as a monopoly tactic.

It does mean you should use Hetzner from the beginning, because the Hetzner egress bandwidth costs will not eat you alive. But what's with cloud, anyway? Hetzner Cloud is for cheap VPSes. Get a real server at Hetzner and you also get way more compute and storage for the same price as any cloud, as long as the higher price floor doesn't bother you. (There are no $5/mo dedicated servers. Even Raspberry Pi hosting usually costs more than that.)

>I'm shocked DOJ has not gone after cloud providers

Well, I think so far only Europe has forced free data export if you're changing providers. We'll see if they continue. I won't hold my breath over DOJ...

Depends on what you're doing. If you're running conferencing, there's no data to migrate, so it should be possible to move to somewhere with reasonable bandwidth costs and save money easily, if it's just vms.

If you're doing media sharing, maybe don't migrate data all at once, but upload new stuff to the new place, and at some point move downloads of old stuff on demand: users make request to new place, new place fetches from old place, saves and sends to user --- you were going to pay that egress to users anyway and now you won't have to pay it again.

If you've amassed a giant database that would otherwise never leave, then yeah, that's going to be expensive to move... But maybe you can get a free egress to leave offer?

Note that I think Hetzner includes 'unlimited' egress on dedicated machines, not on cloud vms; but their per TB prices are much more reasonable than big cloud's per GB prices.

> If you believe Hetzner is a “cloud” platform like AWS (...)

Hetzner is a cloud platform. I don't think this is up for discussion.

Hetzner does have a far more limited catalog of managed services. It provides no function-as-a-service solution, metrics, kubernetes, etc. That's fine.

I’m not familiar with their original pricing, can anyone list the changes?

I seem to recall they had intel and and at same

Previously (prices are without VAT and the 0,50 € for IPv4):

    | Name | vCPU | RAM  | SSD   | Price  |
    |------|------|------|-------|--------|
    | CX11 | 1    | 2 GB | 20 GB |  3,29 €|
    | CX21 | 2    | 4 GB | 40 GB |  4,85 €|
    | CX31 | 2    | 8 GB | 80 GB |  9,20 €|
    | CX41 | 4    | 16 GB| 160 GB| 16,90 €|
    | CX51 | 8    | 32 GB| 240 GB| 32,40 €|

Now:

    | Name | vCPU | RAM  | SSD   | Price  |
    |------|------|------|-------|--------|
    | CX22 | 2    | 4 GB | 40 GB |  3,29 €|
    | CX32 | 4    | 8 GB | 80 GB |  6,30 €|
    | CX42 | 8    | 16 GB| 160 GB| 15,90 €|
    | CX52 | 16   | 32 GB| 320 GB| 31,90 €|

Still alot more expensive than Phoenixnap while a lot less available DC.

But a lot easier to get started and do simple things.

The "dedicated server" / "private cloud" market is a garbage fire of manual one-off hackery where you have to talk to a human in order to do relatively simple things that are a couple of clicks on even "2nd tier" VPS platforms. Want to increase the limit for the number of servers on your account? Call us. Want to add a new employee to your team? Call us.

Earlier this year, my team evaluated about 10 different providers, including PhoenixNAP, and only maybe 2-3 of them allowed us to (1) create an account, (2) add team members, and (3) deploy a server without manual intervention. And often these simple tasks required multiple rounds of manual debugging with the support team.

Did Phoenixnap make the cut?

We had to contact them in order to add team members. Which still put them in the top 2 or 3.

Yeah , that is the thing about it , totally human centered operation approach lol. Also their billing system is so bad that i wanted to replace it for free. But their servers are top notch .

Still not in the US

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