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I wonder if they are going to kill open source chat applications.

Yes, ChatKYC is in the works.

If and how :)

The how is simple, all devices will be required to be as locked as iphones. No apps on your device unless approved by the vendor. Open source is fine as long as you jump through the hoops to submit it for review.

so disable dev mode for all phones? This solution is far from simple.

As if one can just grab a PlayStation and start developing for it. The limiting tech already exists.

Very likely, and self-hosting too. I imagine some sort of licensing system eventually.

I doubt it. The day it fucks state level companies with issues accessing the Telegram API or libre/FLOSS APIs/services such as GUIX under Inria using XMPP/VoIP tools, the working days of these EU bureaucrats are numbered.

Why? In Germany anonymous (self) hosting is already illegal. KYC for chat is only one further step, really not that big.

I'm from Spain, no issues with Germany. Also, is not illegal to self-host, but anonymous self-hosting.

Anyway, most people will just set external pages under international hosts anonymously, or under i2pd and yggdrasil.

Also, any German can just use SDF with a validated account and call the US law on hosting (and maybe content) instead of the German one.

>Also, is not illegal to self-host, but anonymous self-hosting.

I think that is what I said.

>Anyway, most people will just set external pages under international hosts anonymously, or under i2pd and yggdrasil.

"Make yourself a criminal" is not good advice.

I don't know what you are trying to tell me. I know that there are technical means to circumvent this, just like there will be technical means to circumvent chat filters. That isn't the issue, the issue is that it is criminal to do so.

In Spain we say 'hecha la ley, hecha la trampa' ( [as soon] the law it's made, a trick its made). So Germans will find lots of loopholes to be covered, such as not using a German hosting first, and not stating their Web/Gopher/Gemini site as a commercial service, with no data collecting at all.

>So Germans will find lots of loopholes to be covered, such as not using a German hosting first, and not stating their Web/Gopher/Gemini site as a commercial service, with no data collecting at all.

Again, this is criminal. Again, I am aware that there are numerous technical means to circumvent this, yet all of these are criminal.

I still don't get what your point is.

Exploiting loopholes aren't criminal per se; what I mean it's that you can comply with the law by just stating you are not a commercial entity and privacy it's a right granted by the European Union. Thus, most German web/gopher/gemini hobbyists could just call the European Human Rights Court and sue the German goverment branches en masse. Better if that was done under a civil rights supporting NGO, because of legal advice. Once the bigass fines stack up at Berlin, the law wouldn't last for long.

Such a bizarre position. None of this is relevant for the legality in this moment or the legality of the chat monitoring.

Also I think it is extremely unlikely that the court will agree. There are many, many more egregious laws in existence in the EU, this effects very few people and is a big sovereignity issue.

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