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Constraining output means you don’t get to use ChatGPT or Claude though, and now you have to run your own stuff. Maybe for some folks that’s OK, but really annoying for others.

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You're totally right, I'm in my own HPC bubble. The organizations I work with create their own models and it's easy for me to forget that's the exception more than the rule. I apologize for making too many assumptions in my previous comment.

Not at all!

Out of curiosity- do those orgs not find the loss of generality that comes from custom models to be an issue? e.g. vs using Llama or Mistral or some other open model?

I do wonder why, though. Constraining output based on logits is a fairly simple and easy-to-implement idea, so why is this not part of e.g. the OpenAI API yet? They don't even have to expose it at the lowest level, just use it to force valid JSON in the output on their end.

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