Show HN: Please belittle and insult my free online notes and textbook platform
bookvoid.com
bookvoid.com
The site seems to break the back button. If I have to exert inordinate effort to browse backwards away from your site, I am unlikely to want to return to it.
I use offline storage to sync books and make them available to read offline.
You are right that the back button behavior is a little weird. I completely missed this during my tests. Shame on me. The use of the history API was meant to allow people to bookmark places within books not to make "back" act all weird. I will have to reconsider how I do this.
Thanks for the feedback :-)
Is it something you could see yourself using? If not, why not?
It is currently compatible with Chrome, Safari, iOS and Android browsers.
(1) the core functionality already exists in the form of the hyperlink. HTML lets you easily reference external materials as well as handle inline footnotes. It is relatively easy to port existing content to HTML and vice-versa and mix-and-match reference styles. And people can dive into subjects in as much depth as they want on existing sites (look at Wikipedia). There are WYSIWYG editors. And content is portable. So why switch?
(2) if I care enough to write a book, I care about making it look good. The website does not look as good as a default blog, and the added functionality is intrusive and ugly. For one example, look at the way the down arrows occupy an entire vertical row, distorting the spacing of the text. The HTML design looks like it is using 1990s display defaults (no floats, no inlining), even though it is clearly more sophisticated once you check the source.
(3) teachers and educators very rarely put effort into creating content for institutional educational when it doesn't play into a larger project or effort initiated or supported by a school/grant. This might be a controversial statement, but which school started Wikipedia? Which school started the Khan Academy? Look at the limited number of open source textbooks almost twenty years after the web began making inroads and you can see your market does not really exist. Teachers will experiment with mass market platforms (like blogs, twitter) which have social reverb and cachet. They don't get institutional support for writing open source stuff on the web so there is more focus on fulfilling individual classroom needs than writing more general textbooks.
(4) compared to HTML, it's cognitively more difficult to have to always be thinking about what sort of stuff to leave out or minimize. Someone writing a textbook is already applying selection criteria. You are asking them to cognitively handle presentation-level data as well. This puts a higher bar on getting useful content even if someone starts writing.
(5) the triangles are too big and are on the right-hand side. The default is smaller triangles to the left which point to the left when closed and point down when open.
(6) "Bookvoid" is a problem. Even if someone out there hypothetically wants this, what keywords are going to bring them to your site and what metaphor will you use to explain what is happening? You don't have an organizing metaphor ("Wordpress for Teachers") that makes intuitive sense and helps your users figure out how to explain what you do to others.
(7) You would probably get better adoption with something like "Wordpress for Teachers" which simplified the install process, targets a specific market that wants your services, and includes default functionality that makes sense for teachers, such as easily converting their posts into a book format for distribution across the platforms they will care about (Amazon, iOS, eBooks, etc.). Not that I would enter this business, but....
Option for author to "theme" thier book with 5 or so different layout themes so one would be fictional, another might be non-fiction (using some sans serif font), etc. Of course the reader can override if desired.
The book title at the top gets lost in the content.
The top menu symbols show up on the printout - might want to have the print version have a light BookVoid header showing... with the book title.
Maybe an option to border embedded graphics, that wake turbulence pic doesn't seem to rest well in the page... (can you caption it too? or have text wrapping options?)
When you go to settings the book content graphics disappear.
The navigation symbols are interesting but I would think trying to be a bit more conventional symbols (+/- magnifying glass, graphic of gate-fold, etc) would be worth a shot.
BookVoid? Sounds like limbo from books... Maybe instead of a word that reminds me of emptiness or clearing out, look for something growing or spreading... maybe look for Book[Word] combos relating to say garden, spring, sharing, inspiration,creativity?
Themes are a good idea. A printout mode is also on my list of wanted features. It's a bit tricky to implement because of the collapsed sections.
You are right, the book title is currently visually competing with the top graphic banner and it is a little awkward. This is the result of trying to do a landing page in a textbook oriented format. I should find a better solution to this.
As for the wake turbulence pic, Bookvoid allows me to float graphics left or right and have text wrap around them and it looks better on large devices. However, text wrapping around images sometimes end up squeezing text too much on smaller devices. I will try to find a solution, maybe conditional css or javascript that allows me to achieve best of both world. Good catch.
Interesting take on the Bookvoid name. I had difficulty finding a good name. In the end, the color scheme and name were inspired by an artist I like: Yves Klein http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yves_Klein#The_Void
As a comparison, I use Dokuwiki for my site, which is similar but a lot more prep to setup and get into (it's not a SAAS). I think if you take a quick look at it, it might give you some ideas for format concepts: http://portcommodore.com/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=larry:projects...
Print out one page to see how the layout differs from the screen.
Since Bookvoid lets you create mashups where books can contain parts of other books, deleting an entire book risks making holes in other author's books. You can always empty all the sections and subsections of your book. It's not a bad idea to replace deleted content with a message explaining to readers why the content has disappeared and maybe linking to where they can find it if it's still somewhere.
Many people tell me it's too long at there is too much text. Others tell me they don't see what it's for.
Even though I believe strongly in the value Bookvoid provides, the fact that I have difficulty articulating concisely this value is definitely a weakness.
One problem is that it was inspired by machine learning/ Bayesian probabilistic principles of how information should be organised and mathematical principles don't make good tag lines.
Maybe the whole thing is just too wonky. I don't know.
As has also been suggested, easy to see/use links to incorporate Evernote and other sharing platforms would also be a good idea.
FWIW...
Concentrate on what people can do on your site and what problem it solves. To be blunt, I don't care if it's been optimized for tablets, phones, or Big Chief notebooks. I want to know why I should spend any more time on your site.
Also: the navbar and title take up a lot of vertical space. Use that space to show and tell me how you can make my life better.
For readers:
-Optimizes learning of complex concepts.
-Books are like web pages with links that open inline. This prevents readers from having to manage dozens of browser tabs. This often happens to me, for example, when browsing wikipedia.
-Makes books available on more devices than native apps.
-Features such as word highlighting, starring etc.
For content creators
-books can easily include inline sections from other bookvoid books. The author's job becomes part authoring part curation and it saves him or her from writing suff that has already been written.
It is all based on optimal principles of hierarchical information organisation. In my view, there are very fundament ontological principles, rooted in mathematics and philosophy, that make this kind of hierarchical linking of concepts optimal to human reasoning.
I see it as solving some of the problems that wikis have by providing the enforcement of hierarchy, the inclusion of different levels of details about subjects in a single text and the ability to maintain a chain of trust on material. Anyone can't edit everything like in wikis. If your own books is not popular, you have to have been curated-in by more popular author to gain visibility. You can't simply insert yourself in a popular page like in wikis.
edit: formatting
From what I can gather it's about a platform to make readable content more accessible, more dynamic, in an attempt to provide a nice reading/learning experience much like wikipedia clicking for half an hour, but on more serious topics and in a friendlier fashion that allows you to easily go back to the article/topic you were reading one thought step before.
That's still too long, but summarizing the idea made it way more appealing to me so it might be a direction.
I know pale UI's are all the rage but you might want to consider a bit more color still - not very good at UIs myself it just felt really really grey.