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Wouln't it be amazing if Chrome blocking ad-blockers directly causes the renaissance of Firefox?

How can we help make sure this happens? What practical steps can we take?

The first step is for Mozilla to finally stop shooting Firefox in the foot by dumbing it down into oblivion, adding unnecessary stuff nobody asked for or removing features people stayed on Firefox for, angering it's loyal userbase in the process and loosing market share. And then we can talk about what WE can do.

What I can do, is criticize them and hope they listen. I'm not gonna use a product I dislike just of charity, to boost their marketshare, while they're swimming in those sweet Google dollarydoos and ignoring their long term users.

There isn't anything we can do about that. We need to accept it's our best alternative despite being imperfect and figure out what we can do to popularize it.

It's not my job to do any of that as I'm not a Mozilla employee. It's their job.

I'm a user, and as a user I use the best tool for me because it's a tool, not a religion I must preach to others.

This is a terrible attitude. It has nothing to do with anyone's job. It's in our interest to make sure we have an alternative to use.

I need tab groups to switch :(

There seem to be a lot of ways to do that. What's stopping you?

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/simple-tab-gr...

https://search.brave.com/search?q=tab+groups+for+firefox&sum...

Tab Groups are finally coming!

https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/heres-what-were-working-...

Oooh nice! I hope they learn from extensions like Sidebery :)

Oh nice! Looks like vertical tabs are part of that too! That’s not a critical feature for me, but it sure is nice to have. Looking forward to this release!

The majority of my web usage is FF and I agree 100.

The fastest way to adoption would be to listen to the users and make the best web dev tools.

FF drives me mad, tabs bookmarks, containers, profiles, extension security and transparency. Wtf does Mozilla spend its money on?

Test your code against Firefox. I've encountered many bugs (mostly small and non-breaking issues) in major enterprise SPAs which happened because the developers only did their stuff in Chrome. Little things, like spans acting as check-boxes (why?) only being selectable via keyboard, or custom tool tips not aligning with elements come to mind. But also breaking issues, like using APIs that only just landed in Chrome or assuming the non-standard behavior of the Chrome behavior is the actual standard across all browsers.

every day new people come here with "i made a new browser extension" that invariably only has chrome support. demand they bring firefox up to speed or give preference to firefox addons.

this is my 2 cents

Stop using Chrome yourself, and help your less-tech-savvy friends and family switch to Firefox. During Firefox installation, select the options to migrate everything from Chrome, then set Firefox as the system default browser and uninstall Chrome.

Firefox will copy chrome before long. That is everything they have done since starting with version 4.

Firefox's position on not crippling adblockers has remained consistent for years.

https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2022/05/18/manifest-v3-in-fi...

Yeah yeah. They'll see usage dropping thanks to their spyware, sorry strike that, telemetry. Then there will be a point where "too few people use this why so we keep it around" and it will get removed.

Why does "spyware" only matters for Firefox but not other browsers, considering ~97% of the browser market share is proprietary browsers.

If people cared about privacy majority of users wouldn't use Chrome.

Also what is the point of complaining about spyware when the only viable option is Chrome (and other Chromium based browsers), I trust Mozilla more than any proprietary browser vendor. They collect less data than any of the proprietary browsers. I can actually disable "spyware" using config options. They are not some black box switches that might disable the "spyware" unlike proprietary browsers.

Telemetry doesn't help make a browser better. If anything it makes it worse by diverting resources from the actual browser or any other project it gets shoved into. Furthermore it is used as an excuse to remove features.

And yes 97% of people are idiots who should never have been given a computer. They don't care that every bit of data is phoned home thereby making worse for the rest.

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