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The EU governments will ruin the lives of random innocent people with buggy AI.

Look what happened yesterday in the UK: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/uk-woman-mistaken-as-s...

UK is not EU anymore. And UK was a surveillance state since a long time now. Luckily here on the mainland we don't have these issues (yet).

Are you sure about that?? The EU is about to swing politically quite far to the right in a couple of weeks time. Chat control is just the beginning.

I was already looking for how to get out of the UK with the Investigatory Powers Act 2016, before the Brexit referendum, owing to glaring deficiencies such as the Welsh Ambulance Service being on the list of government agencies which have the right to access, without a warrant, the preceding six months of internet connection records for anyone who isn't a lawyer or a Member of Parliament.

You should have just run pron in a background tab 24/7 to give the person checking a really bad day.

The evidence given to the committee had a different, but equally relevant, example about how completely pointless the entire concept was for their stated goal.

Something like:

Govt.: "Imagine a teenager goes missing, we can use these records to find if they were posting on Twitter!"

Expert testimony: "The way these things work, their phones will connect to Twitter hundreds of times each day even if the person themselves doesn't."

The government may well be dumb enough that you were correct to write:

> the person

But the assumption of their incompetence is only wise when asking if they'll do something you want, not if asking if they'll do something you hate.

Censorship and monitoring is not something I would attribute to the right within the last 10-15 years. In the US, things like the Patriot Act are bipartisan. Otherwise, things regarding moderation/censorship/tracking tend to have far more favorability among the modern left leaning governments.

> The EU is about to swing politically quite far to the right in a couple of weeks time. Chat control is just the beginning.

Not that I disagree with you but two things... First chat control is put in place by regular political parties, not far-right ones. Then it's the regular parties, by trampling with their boots on the face of EU citizens, imposing them things they didn't ask for, that made EU citizens decide to vote far-right. I don't know if the far-right is going to win but many of those who are going to vote far-right are going to do it because they've seen tens of millions of african and middle-eastern refugees imposed on to them. We're talking about a sizeable percentage of the entire EU population now being composed of refugees, arriving illegally in the EU (for the first time ever in 2024 there are going to be more refugees coming in in a year than babies born from EU parents).

Many in the EU simply cannot stand anymore to see their countries becoming third-world countries in a timeframe of mere years.

Yeah… not good. Particularly for a political organisation set up to counter and repair the damage caused by fascism. On both sides of the political spectrum, politicians act as if society simply doesn’t exist. Plus even if it’s not far right, it’s moving rightward as a response to the overarching and opaque system of governance that has been put in place that common people cannot do anything about. It’s one of the primary reasons for Brexit, and in that case the EU chose to see it as simply “a British problem” rather than taking pause to think whether there are serious systemic flaws in the EU that contributed to it happening. So now, as usual, Britain is doing the exact opposite to the rest of Europe and about to turn left wing and socialist for at least a decade, and staying out of the fight that will eventually erupt inside the EU, in order to be the ultimate peace keeper who’s job it is to resolve it.

Right, it's EU parents or refugee parents. Nobody else lives here like actual, highly qualified people that countries like Germany are begging to import before all the "natives" retire.

>highly qualified people that countries like Germany are begging to import

Begging isn't enough to get you the best people. You need to pay them well first since "begging" doesn't pay rent. You also need to respect them and give them a high status in society, not treat them like second hand citizens because they don't speak your language well enough and are struggling to navigate your (often discriminatory) bureaucracy.

Full disclosure: I am a migrant internal to Europe(Scandinavia > Switzerland). My wife is an indian national with a University degree. I am personally pretty pro migration.

But who is doing this "begging"? I doubt it's the working classes of Europe. More concrete, I suspect this "begging" is done by the owning class so they can have cheaper labor for their industries. To the working man of Europe, it seems to me the current migration scheme is a net loss.

You just described the main reason for Brexit.

Brexit didn't fix the populations' immigration issues. They just replaced European migration with Asian and African migration.

>I suspect this "begging" is done by the owning class so they can have cheaper labor for their industries

And to have more rentoids to push up the real estate prices and fund their pensions. I call this being "cannon fodder" for the economy.

>I am a migrant internal to Europe(Scandinavia > Switzerland)

Can I ask what brought you from Scandinavia to Switzerland? AFAIK life is already quite good in Scandinavia.

> Can I ask what brought you from Scandinavia to Switzerland? AFAIK life is already quite good in Scandinavia.

Life is great in Scandinavia if you fit the mold. Switzerland and especially Zürich is extremely heterogeneous.

the government is begging, because birth rates don't sustain the population which is aging out, and if you want to keep your economy in those conditions you either bring in people, or encourage reproduction (which has a lag).

or let your economy shrink and don't complain when things are worse than they were when you were a kid. you can't have your cake and eat it too.

edit: all of this is beside the point anyway - my point was there exists a way to legally live here, contribute to the society, yet not be an EU citizen that the person above completely forgot about.

As for cheaper labour - i'm not sure for most companies they end up with cheap labour exclusively from refugees, you can find cheap labour from within the EU as well.

Germany is a joke paying pathetic wages.

AI is ubiquitously bad across borders though.

And here the EU is mandating bad AI like Facewatcher. Do any of these regulations do a single thing to defend against or prevent these kinds of AI-based-governance legal assaults? I highly doubt it.

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