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Until a year or two later when MS rolls out the feature of "AI" on "your data". Or gives the option/default to store the recording on OneDrive. Or any number of options that MS can monetize somehow while selling it as a benefit for you. How many massively popular feature requests sit on the waiting list every day while this one comes out of the blue despite almost no user ever asking for it, and it's for you?

Rewind is the house's foundation, the rest of the walls come later. How fast they come depends on what the CEO sees as the future of making money.

Having these recordings is a liability more than it is a productivity boost. People today don't operate computers under the assumption they are recorded at all times even if they know the feature is there. So of course it's dangerous.

One day, when you'll be thoroughly used to being surveilled at all times, having Rewind-like features will be as ubiquitous or as normal as walking around today with a GPS tracker, microphone and spy cam in your pocket, for someone else to use. Something equally unacceptable some decades ago.

The only good thing about Recall is that it has been the definitive decider of moving away from Microsoft permanently because for them to create such a ‘feature’ shows a complete lack of care about people’s private data - they’ll be leaving a huge jackpot prize for anyone who breaks into a system.

Just the kind of thing this NSA Prism-participating company would think was a top notch idea.

Not saying the real motive is surveillance… I’m sure a feature update or two away will also turn the data into a real money maker of advertising which instead of just being able to advertise to you, can kill two birds with one stone in being able to increase tenfold the ad revenue by watching who you’re talking with in your emails, your PM’s on Facebook (or wherever else) and then selling marketing data on you AND them.

If I was a purely profit driven individual - I’d be doing exactly that. But I have too much of a heart.

Even if they say that they’ll be abandoning this idea as they have ‘listened to user feedback’ or some other bull, the complete damage has already been done here.

Thank the lord there are an abundance of excellent OS alternatives.

no - the employer makes their subjects do it. It has always been that way, now it is more obvious, again.

> Until a year or two later when MS rolls out the feature of "AI" on "your data"

It's already touted as an AI feature.

And yes Microsoft is very adamant the images are stored locally, I wonder if all the processing is purely local too though.

> Microsoft is very adamant the images are stored locally

But this is today (as in "at the literal moment the statement was made"). What about tomorrow?

History is plastered with examples of things companies were adamant about and as it turned out they either didn't keep their word for long or even it was a lie as it was spoken.

One day they'll decide it's for your own interest to share this data. Or a patch will accidentally sync it to the cloud. Or their model will be trained on your data. Or authorities start targeting this for obtaining way more data than otherwise needed. Or malware will use it as a treasure trove of info like never before. All of this keeps happening, I can't bring myself to believe this case in particular will break the mold.

Yes I don't trust them either. At all.

I didn't say that too explicitly, sorry.

Doesn't matter as a tool of domestic abuse, as the attacker almost certainly has local access to the device concerned.

The howls of outrage when Microsoft announced this are such that they may well have gotten the message on this one. But somebody else lower-profile will have the same bright idea.

True, an attacker can install a screen capture tool but they will not automatically have the access to data from months back of course.

True.

And domestic abusers do install such tools, by the way.

> despite almost no user ever asking for it

Honestly I never asked for it but now that I’ve seen it I want to try on my personal machines, if data are local I have no issues with it at all. I’m personally not afraid of Microsoft, but I understand they haven’t been good at building trust for the past decade+. It would be awesome as an open source project.

However I can see how something like Recall is pretty problematic in a corporate context, when enabled by admins without end-user controls

The tech demos never work as demonstrated at the tech demo conference.

That’s why I want to try on my personal machines, to see how useful that is

>> One day, when you'll be thoroughly used to being surveilled at all times

When that day comes, when you don't want someone recording your screen and rummaging around your hard drives, linux will be there.

Every bad day for Windows is a good day for linux.

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