The Algorithm Behind Jim Simons's Success
alchemy.substack.com
alchemy.substack.com
Very secretive all external partners were bought out. Only hundred or so people benefited in the billions per person. Including Robert Mercer of Trump campaign financing and Cambridge Analytica fame.
Very interesting but also disheartening episode about smart people only caring about getting richer.
And then, the academic perspective is that prices should be modelled as random walks, though you may talk/learn about things such as "trend" and volatility. Suggesting that hidden variables/states/transitions can be learned from historical data is usually considered pseudo-scientific.
Meanwhile it so obviously worked for RenTec, with relatively miniscule computing capacity, for decades.
Repeating the academic perspective just seems disgenuine. If prices are not random walks, then financial markets are actually games.
The math involved in finance and economics always seems way behind that of other fields. The problem is that the other fields with more advanced math are so deep in theory that the people working in those areas are often either unaware of the potential real world applications of their work, or they are simply not interested in it (I’ve noticed there seems to be little overlap between the type of personality inclined to explore abstract theories as its own reward and the type of personality that prefers to apply existing knowledge to a real world problem).
> Suggesting that hidden variables/states/transitions can be learned from historical data is usually considered pseudo-scientific.
I mean, there’s a definitive answer to the question of stock market predictability. Unfortunately, it’s also uncomputable: if the conditional Kolmogorov complexity of a stock price time series given relevant auxiliary data is less than the size of the time series data (roughly speaking), then the stock price is predictable to some degree. Otherwise, it’s not.
I would be extremely skeptical if anyone claimed that stock price is truly Kolmogorov-random. However, I also think no single trading group’s algorithms (and data) are sufficiently more advanced than any other group’s to the point where algorithmic arbitrage is obvious to the market (or maintainable over a sufficiently long time period). I would not be surprised though if a sudden ML breakthrough destabilizes the entire market at some point in the near future when one group does in fact realize a step function improvement in their algorithms.
Unpredictability is as much a computational intractability frontier as it is a math problem. We know how to do approximately optimal prediction, but if you have to throw a supercomputer at the calculation and wait until the heat death of the universe to get an answer (which is the essential reality) then it has no value. But if you can grind out small improvements at the prediction frontier on a tractable amount of computing hardware due to algorithm advances and mathematical improvements in more narrow cases, then you have an almost unbounded greenfield to work with and these improvements will generalize well across diverse markets.
But if this model was "true", RenTec would not work, and the "efficient market hypothesis" is invalidated. Which seems plainly obvious.
Ok, so if the market is not efficient, then it's actually a game (poker-like?) and zero sum. Academically, unthinkable thoughts.
https://hedgefollow.com/funds/Renaissance+Technologies/Perfo...
https://hedgefollow.com/funds/Renaissance+Technologies
When I see prestidigitator performance I can't explain, I just don't go directly to assume it's real magic...
Here are 20 funds with a cumulative performance better than RenTec for the last three years...Did they also crack the market?
And yeah, it’s not remotely surprising they’ve made trades like selling NVDA at $700. Judging a fish by its ability to fly etc. RenTech doesn’t work by picking stocks based on industrial trends or anything — as far as we know that sort of stuff is literally not even an input.
What they can do, as demonstrated consistently since approximately their founding, is eek out tiny, repeatable edges on the market and exploit them at rather large scale in a variety of market conditions for dramatically longer periods than anyone else.
That is in practice the most consistently-slightly-correct market prediction anyone has ever achieved.
"Renaissance Hit With $5 Billion in Redemptions Since Dec. 1" - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-02-07/renaissan...
Maybe then it's real magic. Everybody knowns The Goetic Circle of Solomon cannot have more than 72 different demons. :-)
Are you familiar with "Fooled by Randomness" by Taleb? Here is one of the simple tricks discussed there. The details are of my own writing, the mechanics of it are as described.
How you can easily implement a Hedge Fund to beat the market and become a rich investment manager, that will show up every day on CNBC.
Step 1: Choose randomly 20 stocks from the hundreds in the NASDAQ and the SP500. Do this hundred times and create 100 funds.
Step 2: Let the funds run for a while and keep closing the worst performing
Step 3: At the end you will end with one or two that beat all market indexes
Step 4: After 3/5 years publish a full announcement page on the FT and Wall Street Journal, explaining how your Hedge Fund has consistently beat the market.
Step 5: Invite people to give you more money to manage, due to your amazing expertise. Make sure to charge a 5% management fee. Show up on CNBC once in a while for free, for increased exposure.
Step 6: Setup a Foundation to make sure you enjoy your billions tax free...
Another way to do, if you morals are let's say, more flexible, is setup several funds, trade your main ( profitable fund) again the other funds ;-)
I could do this all day...
If so, please share your evidence.
If not, then I’m not sure what is the point of this conversation.
There are plenty of hypothetical ways to beat the market and they make for the same quality of conversation as a drunk uncle’s “brilliant” day trading strategy that he just needs a few bucks to execute. Carry on all day if you wish, no one will be better off for it.
I am not claiming that is what they are doing, but I offered two real strategies of what they could possibly be doing.
The most detail ever disclosed by Renaissance Technologies is probably this: https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/wp-content/uploads/imo/media/do...
Does not mean all details are there.
> If so, please share your evidence.
:) If I crack the Renaissance Technologies fund algorithm I don't think you will be the first one I will notify...:-)
However, I know where I would start to investigate. The employees of the fund, do some of biggest political donations in the USA. Astute investigative journalists could start to look there. Are they doing to avoid scrutiny of their activities? If you cracked the market why such a high level of donations? Philanthropy? Then open your fund...
Interestingly they also hedge their political donations: https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs//summary?id=D000022219&cycl...
And know how to push the limits:
"Abuse of Structured Financial Products: Misusing Basket Options to Avoid Taxes and Leverage Limits": https://www.urban.org/sites/default/files/publication/23081/...
> they make for the same quality of conversation as a drunk uncle’s “brilliant” day trading strategy
Sure...Let's stay with the alternative most in this thread are passively accepting: "They cracked the market"
...this is another misintepretation. You're looking at a list of donations by employees, who presumably don't fall under the same political persuasion. We know this for a fact given that Jim Simons and Robert Mercer are themselves on opposite ends of the spectrum (and each was very politically active).
Anyway yeah, I'm sure RenTech is just lacking scrutiny. Surely no astute investigative journalist has thought to look their way.
They have only 300 employees, and they are all partners apparently.
Financial investigative journalism is dead in the US. Journalists are paid badly, and work for the multinationals they should scrutinize.
In Europe the FT tried to pretend they were still a respectable financial publication, but shit their pants when the German financial regulator threaten them. They learned to be quiet since...
"Germany’s financial watchdog BaFin responded by launching a probe into the reporting and whether — as Wirecard alleged — it was an attempt at share price manipulation. " - https://www.ft.com/content/27872df6-b496-11ea-8ecb-0994e384d...
This is a typical conspiracy theorist style. Always pointing out "look there..." without ever saying what they're talking about, because there is actually nothing there.
Oh now trying to explain the algos, of a fund of 300 employees, who never has losses, and makes some of the biggest political donations in the US...Is accusing?
What happened to intellectual curiosity? Don't look up?
> Always pointing out "look there..."
There is plenty where to look...
https://www.reddit.com/r/hedgefund/comments/18johku/medallio...
"Democratic donor built up vast $8bn private wealth fund in Bermuda" - https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/nov/07/democratic-dono...
I don't understand anything about finance. That said, it sounds to me that RenTec is (or portraying themselves as) a classic volatility based hedge fund.
(A good friend is a hedge fund trader. He has tried to explain the maths to me a few times. Something something about Brownian motion, NPV, predicting herd migration. Alas, I am but a simple bear.)
But all their data collection gives me pause. I do think they they're better at spotting market signals. Like using FourSquare check-in location data to predict retail performance. Like using a VPN to spy on users to spot emerging competing startups.
My pet theory is that RenTec's play is restraint, to be patient slow capital. Even though they (probably) have data for bonanza predictions, like your NVDA example, they some how have the discipline to eek out modest profits, preferring consistency over riding the tiger.
Of course, some will argue that
A) These people wouldn't have been equally motivated to work on such problem, compared to the ones that make them wealthy.
B) Some of the investment folks are contributing to the actual sciences, by fronting them with money.
But, still, I can't help but to think what a brain drain the finance industry is. You take some of the smartest and most motivated people out there, and make them spend all their energy on vacuuming pennies off the market, or identifying commercially successful companies.
Imagine if Shannon, Turing, Von Neumann, Einstein, and Dirac had done this.
Yes, they put some money back, but not nearly enough to compensate for the damage.
The real disaster has been normalising this kind of "success" as the best of all possible achievements, when in fact it's spectacularly cheap and unambitious compared to the goals of previous generations.
If anyone thinks I'm overstating the heresy here, remember - a financialised economy is optimised for short-term gain, not long-term development.
The flip side of "investment" is an economy where hundreds of millions are bankrupted by health insurance, where rents are unaffordable (never mind property), where workers are treated like spreadsheet assets and not like people, where fraud is endemic, where many people are putting off having kids because they literally can't afford them, where planes fall out of the sky, and where the entire machine regularly demands government bailouts because it's stuck in a manic depressive cycle of overconfidence and opportunism followed by collapse.
That's not even looking at the incredibly toxic political effects.
The vast majority of people who succeed in finance are very ambitious; if finance wasn't an option they'd just have found some other way to make money, not suffer as a peon doing fundamental research for mediocre pay in a lab somewhere. Just be glad they didn't go into politics where their ambition could have done even more damage.
PhD programs pay basically nothing, are selective, require candidates to jump through all sorts of hoops and still have no trouble filling out. Later on, becoming a professor—or some other sort of researcher with similar scope, autonomy and funding—is basically impossible, harder than making a bunch of money in quantitative finance. And yet each opening has hundreds of realistically qualified applicants. (Realistically qualified in the sense that they'd be able to do good research, anyway.)
As you know, funding for academics, scholastics, and basic research has been on a decades long decline. The West's investment in knowledge production peaked in response to Sputnik. As the Cold War wound down, neoliberalism and the "peace dividend" replaced that commitment.
Too bad.
Maybe climate crisis, our new existential threat, will be another Sputnik moment.
Didn't Simons donate prolifically to math education?
Oh, so that's why the incessant Twitter crypto scam ads about "THE STRONGEST SIGNALS", it was an already established term that I didn't know about.
In the end though, it's not about the specific strategies. If I steal the recipe of a Michelin chef, I will still not be able to make a sufflé, since I don't have the prerequisite skills. I might be able to give it to someone who does, and maybe he will make something similar to the original, but even this person would not be able to follow the evolution of the original chef into making new, innovative dishes.
In the end it seems that this highly technically proficient guy actually succeeded in building something as nebulous as a winning culture.
This is a great point.
But even the pre-requisite skills should not matter in this case (you could always higher 100's of math/physics phDs?).
The key element of RenTec's success is execution and it was mentioned in passing in the book by the WSJ reporter. RenTec does not need a super duper algorithm that predicts with 80 or 90% accuracy. A 2% edge is sufficient, provided they can place tens thousands of bets that are less correlated, day in day out. Then they are guaranteed to make a ton of money over the year by the law of large numbers. The ability to find and execute trades in that scale is a key part of RenTec a success.
Simmons, Charlie, and surely others have said that, maybe did that as well, and… got lucky.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Swan:_The_Impact_of_...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_swan_theory
And, the more money you have, the easier it is to get more; the curve is exponential.
Piketty, T. (2014). Capital in the twenty-first century. Harvard University Press.
-
This has got to be the dream hasn’t it.
Making money not because you want a gaudy gold bathroom in a New York or London flat but because you can and because it’s fun to do.
Every goal takes time to achieve. The time spent seeking a career and financial success is not spent on your relationships and your health. Ask me how I know.
How do you know?
In this case, It happened to me and I saw the same happen to several coworkers as well.
It's not even career and financial success, it's about competence. There are billions of activities in the realm of possible activities pursued by a person and each one takes time to get to the top percentile performace.
People think money is some magic trick card that lets you skip the process and compress time. In reality the closest thing that it does is bringing you to the front row to watch the top performers who have dedicated time to their craft do their thing.
Key word being watching. Money can buy you the most expensive suite at the Super Bowl, but it won't get the ball in your hands with 2:00 on the clock needing a TD to win it. That right belongs to the person who spent years and dedicated infinite hours to the pursuit of excellence in the realm of throwing a football to moving targets.
Seems like too many people, especially those that have no experience in the industry bought into the myth that genius mathematicians beat the market etc. The truth is that the market is mostly a zero sum competition between its participants. If RenTech is so good, they should have people that are a class above everyone else. Does someone claim that RenTech has more smart traders than Jane Street, Citadel etc? All of these people hire IMO Gold Medallists etc, and after a point there are diminishing returns on intelligence, someone who won IMO gold is not that much better than someone who got silver in intelligence. Even assuming RenTech got the cream of the cream, only golds while Jane street got the Silvers, I doubt there is enough alpha there for RenTech to have the insane spectacular market performance that they show. But that is likely not the case, they have people of similar caliber to Jane Street, Citadel etc which makes their outsized performance even more intriguing.
The only possibilities I can think of, is 1 they are cooking the books, this would be insanely risky but not something unheard of in this industry. 2 they have discovered a few trading strats that they have maintained as a closely guarded secret all these years that allows them to get their edge on the market. Or similarly, some of their founding team are just godlike traders who always beat the market and once they’re gone RenTech will also fall. This feels even more unlikely, considering employee attrition and such but might be possible.
For what it’s worth, I’ve had friends that interviewed with RenTech mention to me that it was an okay interview, heavily focused on C++ technical details (especially latest C++11 features and above) but not harder than an equivalent Citadel interview etc.
Being an IMO gold medallist doesn't make someone a good mathematician; there's a very big difference between the kind of math in the IMO and the kind of mathematical research a successful mathematician does. Jim Simons was an extremely successful mathematician, who won a Millenium Prize, and hired mathematicians and physicists with a strong publication history. There's a quote from someone at Rentech like: "We hire the A-grade mathematicians. Other firms hire the B or C-grade mathematicians, and don't even know the A-grade mathematicians exist". It's like, if a startup hired a bunch of fresh CS Olympiad Gold Medalists straight out of university, do you think they'd be able to compete with Google (especially Google of 10 years ago, when its search was still so dominant)?
What does this mean? All the firms you have posted do different things.
> Does someone claim that RenTech has more smart traders than Jane Street, Citadel etc?
Again this is not apples to apples. You know a bit, but not nearly enough. Citadel is actually two companies. Citadel Securities (Ken G's + managments prop capital, no external investors) have a tonne of strategies with extremely high sharpe ratios and returns (triple digits in some cases), but ultimately they are capacity limited. Jane Street too (prop capital) fits this mold. Citadel the hedge fund (external capital) has much lower sharpes, but a much higher capacity (65 or so billion) and looks roughly similar to RenTechs public funds (external capital).
The idea is you keep as much of the juicy stuff to yourself as you can justify, and then trade on the public image + free option on management / performance fees to grow an external asset management business and rake that in parallel.
I dont see any contradiction. In fact its the rational profit maximising thing to do.
Also being "smart" isnt even a half of the formula to running a successful markets/trading/investing business. Alot of it is culture (as the article points out) and other hard to replicate edges.
Hedge Funds by and large are not quantitative (and even when they proclaim to be, actually are not terribly sophisticated). What they really are is expert marketing / narrative machines enticing asset allocators to lend them AUM. Once you understand this, it begins to make sense that those who are truly quantatively gifted operate on another plane.
— Bernard Madoff in New York on Oct 20, 2007
“It’s a proprietary strategy. I can’t go into it in great detail.” — Bernard Madoff to Barron’s, May 7, 2001The point of the public funds is to be less risky than the S&P 500. Simons and co will never ever suggest anyone invest a serious amount of money into the S&P.