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> Unlike the current Autocratic regimes, like Putin's Russia, or Xi's China, the "Western Worlds" - whatever that means - don't hide or rewrite their History.

Sure we do. All the time.

> WW2 started in 1939, not in 1941 as Russia claims.

Or it started in 1931 according to the chinese.

> So that whole "imperialist thinking" propaganda logic seems very flawed, and more like an excuse the new autocratic regimes are using to expand their borders by force, and be themselves imperialistic.

Because the west hasn't expanded by force?

> The world moved on in the meantime, you know, since the founding of the UN and such.

And that's why the western world hasn't invaded dozens of countries since. Right?

> and the forced expansionism of autocracies as a "multipolar world".

So you are defending the unipolar world? The same unipolar world maintained by force?

It's hard to take you seriously when your points defending 'the west' actuals exposes all the evil the west has done.

> Sure we do. All the time.

I gave you a few examples, please do share instances of rewriting the History of the "Western Worlds" - again, whatever that means. But I have a feeling you're soon going to find yourself in a pickle.

> Or it started in 1931 according to the chinese.

Rightfully so, the difference was that the Chinese weren't allies of Japan invading other countries... Like the USSR allied with Nazi Germany, and be an active part on the hostilities and genocide, right? It's like the same thing Germany denied WW2 ever happened.

> Because the west hasn't expanded by force?

When? Where? Who? Tell me a "Western Country" that expanded by Force since the founding of the UN - because, you know, that was kind of the point of it.

> And that's why the western world hasn't invaded dozens of countries since. Right?

Of course it has, or do you think just because of the founding of the UN countries got a green card to commit genocide and invade neighbors? Like Serbia, or Saddam's Iraq?

> So you are defending the unipolar world? The same unipolar world maintained by force?

Where did I say I defend a unipolar world? I'm saying the world is already multipolar - it's like all of a sudden the last 30+ years of global trade, alliances and investments never happened. It's especially funny coming from China, or from Russia who thrived with this multipolar world.

> Like the USSR allied with Nazi Germany

Was there another Germany at that time so you have to specify which Germany do you mean? I understand saying South Korea, because there are two.

This is very interesting: why are you bothered by me using the Historical name for Nazi Germany[0]?

Would you prefer that I used "German Reich" instead of "Nazi Germany", to be more accurate?

[0](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Germany)

Just Germany is fine, like every other country. Historical Germany name is Germany or Reich not Nazi Germany. Germany had German soldiers speaking German language, not Nazi soldiers speaking Nazi language.

Ah yes, let's omit the defining factor of Nazi Germany which wasn't the same before WWI - and in case you didn't know - was not the same after WW2.

> Historical Germany name is Germany

Right, there was no such thing Federal Republic of Germany and the German Democratic Republic, just "Germany"? Right?

Literally, two different countries, which were different from Nazi Germany, which was different from the German Empire. Yet to you, this is all the same.

I'm struggling with where you're trying to get to with this one.

Is it a new propaganda spin? The "Let's ignore History, and how things are called" because you're bothered by Historically referring to Nazi Germany as Nazi Germany? Like the Russian propaganda addressing British People as "Anglo-Saxons"?

I'm assuming your goal is to bring clarity to History, and not confusion right wink wink?

Well unlike you, I agree with the Historical designations, and it's important to bring clarity, so I see no problem in saying: the USSR was an ally of Nazi Germany.

Why only Germany has that magical defining factor that you must use?

Why not Japan, Italy, Poland, Czech Republic, plenty of other that were different?

For people in Europe Germany was just Germany, they didn't know the word Nazi exists. It is only after WW2 German government coined a new name for it's country to blame everything that was done during WW2 on that other country.

> Why only Germany has that magical defining factor that you must use?

It's not me who must use it, it's everyone but you.

And just because you're ignorant in this matter, you don't have to try to bring everyone down to that level.

Another basic example:

Imperial Russia =/= USSR =/= Russian Federation

Different regimes, different borders, different policies. That's how History works. It might not be convenient to you, and for your propaganda purposes, but it doesn't bend reality.

We know Russia likes to distance itself from their own atrocities, like Holodomor.

The difference is that Germany took all the load from Nazi Germany and it's out in the public for everyone to see.

Russia has been rewriting History so many times trying to cherry-pick the good parts and hide the bad parts, that Russian society at this point doesn't know if they miss the USSR or if they hate it for the misery it brought on them. They don't know if Stalin was good or bad, even though the regime is trying to rehabilitate him.

Germany during 1933-1945 never claimed to be something else than Germany, the name change happened in 1980s.

Why there is no Nazi Italy?

> Germany during 1933-1945 never claimed to be something else than Germany, the name change happened in 1980s.

No, they claimed to be the Third Reich and had a lot more land, remember that?

We're talking about History here by the way, not what they claimed to be. Do you know what else Nazis claimed to be? A superior race. Yeah.

But at least you had the self-awareness to realize you were wrong all along.

> Why there is no Nazi Italy?

Because it is called Fascist Italy, or the Kingdom of Italy ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascist_Italy ), but I think you can find out why it's not called "Nazi Italy" if you make a little effort.

By the way, don't worry, I have the feeling Putin's Russia will be remembered in History as Putin's Russia, what it looks like to be the man responsible for the end of the Federation and the collapse of Russia, just to remain in power.

They claimed to be the Third Reich and they were Germany all the time.

Putin's Russia is a good name.

> They claimed to be the Third Reich and they were Germany all the time.

And that's it's called Nazi Germany, we went full circle here.

> Putin's Russia is a good name.

Saddam's Iraq, Mao's China, all the names that brought misery and death onto themselves and others, with a complete disregard for human life, just to serve their own power.

Did you notice that you never learn?

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I have to admit, you are an idiot.

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