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Except only one of those organizations killed 30 000 civilians within 7 months.

And cut off water supplies and electricity, and killed international aid workers, and rained hellfire on hospitals, and killed workers from the UN, and wiped out entire Palestinian families, and razed Gaza to such an extent that it changed the colour of it as seen from space, and plunged Gaza into famine in the worst drop in nutritional status in recorded history.

How exactly do you expect a war in a dense urban area, where the enemy is not uniformed and is directly embedded in and under civilian populations, to transpire?

Not by targeting and intentionally murdering hundreds of entire extended families in their sleep during the night, just because they live in the same 3 story building as some low-level fighter?

That's why you see reports of 600 extended families being completely erased, just because they lived together. It's not random civilians here and there.

Or do you see this as some just warfare on Israel part? https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/

You didn't answer the question at all: how do you prosecute a war when all the combatants are embedded in a dense urban civilian population? Are you going to send your soldiers into buildings door to door to face whatever booby traps and horrors the terrorists placed for them? Systematically using civilians as human shields is a war crime for precisely this reason, because it exposes civilians to a great deal of danger.

Well the Israel does have a history of door to door killings, please reference the 1948 Nakba massacres and Deir Yassin atrocities. IDF used Palestinians as literal human shield. No amount of whataboutery could erase the horrors IDF has committed in Gaza. Have you seen the videos IDF personnel posted themselves, looting homes, bombing any stone that is standing? Digging graves on cemetery? Mass graves around Al Shifa?

Actually I did. By excluding one particular category of things. I can provide many other exclusions. General exclusions + some obligations is pretty much how laws of warfare are defined. Which is how nations agreed to wage wars more "humanely" in the past, including Israel.

And I think Israel should not wage its extermination campaign at all, btw. So I simply don't agree with the premise of your question, personally.

Those are the Gaza ministry of health's numbers for all killed, IIRC, not just civilians.

And not just all who were killed but everyone who has died since Oct. 7

Hamas only makes up 40,000 of Palestine's 2.3M.

Unless you're trying to claim that Israel has decimated 75% of Hamas, and is almost done, let's not try to diminish this.

The number has also been largely substantiated by press and aid agencies, it's not just Gazan propaganda.

Not to mention that Israel is practically recruiting for Hamas since Oct. 7th. I don't know where the 40,000 number comes from, but if it's from before the war, I have to guess that the needle probably hasn't moved much, even if the # of Hamas killed are accurate.

I suppose if Hamas was the larger one, those 30k would have been 30 days, but most likely 5 if given the same resources.

If my grandmother had wheels, she would have been a bike.

Nothing but the truth from Gino. As usual.

Yeah still does not excuse Israel..

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