Fiat brings back its 500e electric model for 2024, with 149 mile range

We are already there if you include used EVs. For people who already have an ICE vehicle, something with 25-30 usable kwh for <$10k is totally viable and attainable.

The way the government incentives work for imports you have to lease rather than buy to get the good price. But you can lease the Kona EV, Toyota bz4x and its sister the Solterra for under $200 a month.

Strongly agree. Of course, it’ll also help if dealers actually stock base models (very common for them to only stock mid-trims and up) and don’t sandbag them with massive markups.

Hyundai/Kia just makes the news because it’s trendy. Our 2020 Hyundai is the most reliable vehicle we’ve owned.

All of our other vehicles have comparable level of recalls. In fact, our Ford currently has a recall because the rear axle bolts are at risk of sheering off. Major issue, but not something that makes headline news.

Dunno about that... My criteria was a bit different than the "on paper" stats:

1) Had normal instrumentation and control systems inside. No spaceship tech features.

2) Reliability and build quality cannot be compromised.

3) Strong dealership network with readily available parts and trained technicians.

Fast charge rate and long road trip worthiness doesn't matter to me because I don't do that. It's absolutely peppy and will put down the power when you need it for a quick merge or highway on ramp. Overall incredibly happy with this car.

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I leased one and have been loving it. It's a great car if your not road tripping. The lease price really helps too.

Everything is relative to price. The bz4x and Solterra were not great cars at their original price, but at $169/month lease....

That’s not really fair. 99.9% of the Home Depot trucks are perfectly fine.

The real problem with renting a Hone Depot truck is that the reservations are based on expected availability. You made a reservation and you told them how long you expect to have the truck. But so did the person before you. There is no penalty for being wrong. It’s just an hourly cost and you pay for however long you keep it. Keep it overnight if you want to. Keep it for a few days. If you’ve ever read the fine print (you do read the fine print, right?), it will list a maximum rental charge. If you keep it long enough to hit that mark, they give you the title once you’ve paid the bill!

This is all fantastic once you are in possession of the Home Depot truck. But you can never count on it being there when you want it. Imagine that your local store has three trucks and 3 reservations for 2pm. You can call them up before leaving the house and they’ll tell you there are trucks at the store. You arrive in the parking lot and see a truck parked in the parking lot. You then buy all your stuff and walk over to the rental counter and there’s no truck anymore. One of the other people with the 2pm reservations already took it, and the person with the 1pm reservation isn’t back yet.

Hertz, enterprise, and Turo rent trucks, as does UHaul.

I don't think there are many places in the world where cars are as cheap as in the USA. The prices in Australia also include taxes and fees, which I don't think is a practice in the states.

Its usually people thinking they've got some kinda alt/edgy take "well actually...", or trying to remind the internet other countries exist.

Did you just read the headline and hn comments about the headline?

There is also almost all of the really reliable Toyota diesel engines for Land Cruisers, etc that never made it to the US market.

Is it a submarine if it doesn’t hide the ball? If the topic is right there in the headline, isn’t it more of an aircraft carrier rather than a submarine?

Compared to the Model 3, the Leaf offers seats-down cargo space that’s larger and less restrictive (hatch vs. trunk) despite being significantly smaller (~185” vs ~176”). Despite the 500e being smaller yet at 143”, its cargo space isn’t that much smaller than that of the Model 3 and also isn’t subject to the restrictions of a trunk since it’s a hatch.

Of course not everybody is looking for compactness or better ratios of external size to cargo space but for those who are, there are better options than a Model 3.