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Iran president helicopter in hard landing – state media

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I often wonder if Britain and America had not conspired to overthrow Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh, where Iran might be today.

The exact same place they are today. The overthrow was inevitable, regardless of interference.

Hard to say as there is also Afghanistan where something like this did not happen.

https://nypost.com/2021/09/11/incredible-scenes-of-womens-li...

What is the point of the linked source? Afghanistan was a war zone for empires just like everywhere else in this region.

Who do you think financed the taliban to fight russia?

Isn't the point obvious?

Just a little nitpick - US didn't finance Taliban. Taliban was formed after Russia stopped occupation in Afghanistan. Taliban was formed because US stopped paying attention.

No the point is not obvious. We spent 25 years getting pictures of extremely isolated instances of afghans wearing western clothes as some justification for continued occupation. Exactly the same playbook tried with Iran.

Is the point to foster renewed interest in occupation by sharing misleading photos of isolated locations?

Operation cyclone led directly to the creation of the taliban.

These photos (how many of photos there are at all from that period in Afghanistan?) show that Afghan women were able to wear highly revealing clothing in public, like were Iranian women at the time. Something that this day is extremely unlikely in Afghanistan and Iran.

Different histories, same outcome - the point being - we really do not know what would have happened in Iran.

If you didn't know then Iranian revolution did not start as Islamic revolution. It started as popular revolution against shah but the other revolutionaries were eliminated by the Islamists.

Oh interesting. Question since you seem so educated on the matter. Did Rosevelt pay protestors to throw riots in support of Mosaddegh?

If only our national security state was still competent am I right?!

Like I said: different histories, same outcome.

Would you mind answering my question if you know?

The point is both countries have been infiltrated by western powers who support either tyrannical religious zealots or liberal causes whenever it suits their political interests which results in societies that tear themselves apart. And the societies tearing themselves apart is the feature not the bug.

That’s a bit of a moot point. The actual human beings forming the military backbone of the “Taliban” were all fighters trained by the Pakistani ISI (at the behest of and sponsored by the United States) in order to fight Soviets. The US distributed a lot of brainwashing material to Taliban madarsas etc.

Mosaddegh was a marxist, supported by Russia, who tried to play both sides to advance a personal agenda of Persian ascendancy. Had he not been overthrown, the Russians would have eventually lost patience and killed him; or the radical islamists would have eventually overthrown him with the assistance of regional Arab players not keen on an ascendant Iran, with Marxist leanings. They would've wrongly believed an Islamist Iran would be easier to align than a secular/marxist regime.

Probably the same place. Islamic theocratic was on the rise in that area in the 70s - it's likely Ayatollah Khomeini would come to power one way or another - possibly even via elections. Just like Islamists did elsewhere after the Arab spring.

The brits and Americans used islamic clerics to overthrow mosadegh

You are spouting absolute nonsense. No one expects you to read books (or even a book) on the topic, but at least glance at a Wikipedia entry.

That makes it so much clear. Thank you.

A video covering this just dropped: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k18Fidj8p0U

The assumption that Iran is a poor country... I can see them building mass transit in numerious cities and amn't seeing the same in e.g. KSA.

How do you measure country's net worth?

That's a pretty handy way to let radical Islam off the hook.

As though its development hasn't been influenced by centuries of Western violence and oppression?

Radical Islam may have never taken root in Iran otherwise. There is no letting radical Islam off the hook, but you're free to do so if you wish.

I often wonder if the Ottomans hadn’t sided with the Central powers how much better off the region would be.

There is an interesting episode about this in a 1985 British documentary called "End of Empire". If I am not mistaken, all episodes are on YouTube except one. It seems an agent gave an interview for the episode on Iran and accidentally (?) mentioned his employer's involvement in the 1953 coup. This was deleted from the final script.

More recently, an Iranian film maker made an another interesting documentary chasing up the details surrounding this edited script and what may have been deleted. It starred Ralph Fiennes as the agent being interviewed:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coup_53

AP says Raisi was on board: https://apnews.com/article/iran-helicopter-raisi-b483ba75e43...

So does the linked article.

OP’s clarification must come from the ambiguous HN title.

It said "not known" in an earlier revision

Weather conditions seem to be quite harsh in the area:

https://x.com/Faytuks/status/1792192211834286292

https://t.me/irna_1313/283983

Why is this flagged? Every major media outlet is running this story, and it isn't like the BBC is some fringe news agency.

Being flagged doesn't mean that it's untrue, it means that people feel that it doesn't meet the HN guidelines.

It’s against the hacker news guidelines. This isn’t the forum for breaking news that you find on TV.

And yet the top thread right now is from BBC regarding Russian glid bombs.

Because it is technology. For downing whirlybirds with space lasers and weather modification HN just isn't ready, it just isn't.

Meanwhile, the BBC is saying "Iran president helicopter in hard landing".

Does that seem like the BBC is well into new-speak territory these days?

They all say that

NY Times (the first one I saw) is saying "crashed".

It's not new speak, hard landing is a technical term. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_landing

The other two choppers in the convey safely landed, but they don't know exactly where the chopper crashed? Hmmm.

Season 8 of Homeland is based on an event like this

Crazy story, I wonder what kind of ripple effect this will cause in that region.

i would never get into a helicopter, they dont have wings! how you gonna even attempt a crash landing if things go wrong? and you cant parachute out of one with giant blades spinning above your head... part of me thinks its an IQ test.

  how you gonna even attempt a crash landing if things go wrong?

autorotation[0]. the higher the altitude, the better.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autorotation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autorotation

Autorotation allows for a landing in the case of power loss, this is an old technique. It can still lead to a hard landing, but it's not totally uncontrolled.

Wow TIL, thanks!

Doing this in a trainer helicopter without doors was the most terrifying experience of my life. You don't want to do this if you don't have to.

50 bucks says Israel will be blamed for his death before the end of the day.

They dont have anything against the president.

Except for the fact that he called for its destruction repeatedly. Provided missiles, drones, weapons and trainings to its enemies... It's speculated the Oct 7th attack was based on a direct order from Tehran due to their fear of normalization between Israel and the Saudis.

I don't think Israel did this mostly because it's subtle and the current Israeli government doesn't tend to do subtle. But I won't be surprised.

That was not the president.

Which of my multiple assertions were not him? Is he not responsible for the executions of thousands of dissidents? Did he not wish frequently for the destruction of Israel? Is he not behind the subjugation of women?

You're framing this as Israel, Iran etc. The problem is in specific governments not inherently in the countries. Israel and Iran used to have a great relationship before the Islamic revolution. Many Iranian expats live in Israel. People like Raisi are a huge part of the problem. He's one of the boogiemen who Netanyahu (and people like him) use to rise to power.

Those laws existed long before he came into office.

Which laws? Who? Raisi?

Sure. He's pretty much a product of his environment/government. Did I imply otherwise?

I mean.. let's be fair.. if it was intentional, it would be one of the main two suspects.

The other being the Ayatollah, given his history of constantly shuffling around people in power from different branches, and not tolerating family members in politics, in order to prevent stable institutions (or family) overthrowing him...

It was an accident?

AP story says:

>A helicopter carrying Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi suffered a “hard landing” on Sunday, Iranian state media reported, without elaborating. Some began urging the public to pray for Raisi and the others on board as rescue crews sped through a misty, rural forest where his helicopter was believed to be.

https://apnews.com/article/iran-helicopter-raisi-b483ba75e43...

No details at all, presumably not much will be known until it is found. Presumably if Iran had even a tiny reason to blame it on an enemy, they would already be doing that.

Way too early to say, better to wait and see

Reference: CIA

very sad, i hope they will be find alive. but i fear it won't be possible.

There are more people happy about this than sad that's for sure.

Apparently Abdollahian was also on the helicopter as well.

2 for 1.

Raisi and Abdollahian got served by Karma.

A by-far more common sentiment is that it will be sad if he is found alive.

The odds are against this being an accident. On the other hand a few other presidents and ex-presidents would help us all if they disappeared in accidents

> The odds are against this being an accident.

What makes you think so? Looking for data, I found https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_heads_of_state_and_gov.... It lists 3 helicopter accidents (one of them this year) and one helicopter bombing.

Also, weather in the region apparently isn’t good for safely flying helicopters (FTA: “He said the visibility in the mountainous and wooded area was down to only about five meters.”)

That, to me, doesn’t support a claim “The odds are against this being an accident”. Do you have data that does?

Well, clearly, the assassins _made_ the weather difficult for helicopters so they could plausibly deny accountability like any good assassin.

Or waited for a moment where it could be made deniable.

I mean.. there are a few countries that have problems with Iran and have the means to do it.

Somehow it's always helicopter crashes. Important people die in these crashes all the time. It's cuz they're unsafe, not malicious intent.

The Indian head of military forces, the Leicester city billionare.... those are just a couple off the top of my head.

Kobe Bryant, his 13 year old daughter + 7 others.

All else being the same, Iranian aircraft will actually be likelier to be involved in accidents than aircraft in similar countries, due to the unavailability of spare parts caused by western sanctions.

and how did you get to that conclusion? to me its odds are very much for technical failure and harah weather caused it to crash. much more logical

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