Apple says the majority of Mac users also own an iPad
9to5mac.com
9to5mac.com
Apple could make ipad users more willing to switch to Mac from windows pc by making iPad more capable - but they are to greedy and too much focused on profit margins than growing the pie and revenue
I used to own ipad but don't own anymore even though I'm Macbook user - I have surface go though since I hate ipad software limitations.
Is it greed though? There are lots of people who _want_ a simple device like an iPad. Why force a more complicated device upon them?
Sounds like Steve Jobs was right about trucks.
Personally I find the iPad is my go-to "I don't need a keyboard for this" machine.
Kids (and adults) also like them as handheld gaming and streaming devices.
We shouldn’t assume who we know reflects everyone.
Apple might be counting people with broken iPads too!
Edit: clarity and warmth
I also know some people that also buy iPads for senior parents/grandparents and just use their iCloud account to make it easier to manage.
There are few companies that have the fandom Apple has, especially with hardware outside the iphone/blue bubbles that teens and moms need for social standing.
My brother's household has 4 Macs of various form factors (mini, studio, 2 laptops) and 5 iPads (two of which are iPad pros - one hand me down and one new that is used for drawing... and one is an iPad mini).
There are many situations where an iPad is a preferred device over a laptop (or the impracticality of taking a Mac mini to bed) and many where the Mac at a desk is a much better choice.
Given the finances and priorities that support two sets of devices ... it should not be surprising at all to have both.
We also have iPhones I'm not going to start counting those.
Now you do!
The elephant in the room w/ the expensive new iPad is that the consumer right now is experiencing a reset in their economic expectations (first of all because of the sugar rush of pandemic stimulus ending, secondly because of inflation, third from “polycrisis”). I think brands are catching on right about now.
Car companies for instance tried to quit making cars that cost less than $50k, especially if they are electric.
The new iPad strikes me as a little like the Apple Vision Pro. People might have spent their stimulus checks on them if they’d come out a few years back but now, no. Sure it does a better job of rending mobile apps in AR floating in your room than the MQ3 but it doesn’t have all the facilities for immersive worlds that the MQ3 does. They just can’t charge 7x what MQ3 costs for something that doesn’t do as much. The hardware is totally capable but Apple can’t or won’t add the software support.
Myself I quit carrying a desktop replacement laptop and I use an iPad as my “on the go” computer. As much as the industry tries to keep it a secret (so you’ll spend your money on an overpriced special keyboard) it “just works” to attach a bluetooth keyboard and mouse. If I want to do some serious work I RDP into a powerful Windows computer.
(Note one point of this way of working is that tablets are relatively cheap. I don’t feel all that bad if I smash a $40 Fire tablet or even a $300 iPad but I’d feel like I’d need to buy a case for a $2000 tablet, eliminating the sleekness advantage the tablet has.)
If Apple wasn’t NERFing the software you could have a great computing experience on an iPad Pro that would justify the cost.
Smartphones got established because they could justify a high price with corresponding value: if you add up the cost of all the gadgets an iPhone replaces it is much greater than the cost of the iPhone. Apple’s lost their way.
When I am at my desk, I use my MacBook. If I am going on a work trip, it will come with me. If I need to stay connected to work when running errands, my iPad Pro/cellular with Logitech’s keyboard combo is usually close by and I can do everything I need to do on it (but I am not a dev). For portability, it’s unmatched for me.
It's almost surprising that Apple makes a fairly capable $350 "computer" (even if it's nowhere near Fire or Chromebook territory.)
I know many people with both devices in my circles (including me). Typically the laptop is for work and the iPad is for travel or for kids.
Apple could, of course, make iPadOS work for those use cases, but I have a feeling Apple management don't actually understand the problem. They always deflect around iPadOS's limitations instead of addressing them head-on. We need file management that doesn't break if you look at it funny and require a full system reboot to fix whatever daemon is managing containers. We need to be able to have apps that stay running when you close them and they need to be able to peg the CPU.
Hell, it's comical when Apple's own apps just pop up a generic "Export failed" error message if you task-switch between apps when doing exports or rendering. Did they just forget that they have a blatant "no background rendering" policy?
Rather than “allow” an iPad Pro to run macOS, I predict a variant of the MacBook Air with detachable keyboard … when detached, it’s just an iPad. This would need macOS to continue to get incrementally better with good support for iPad apps and a way to support constrained macOS apps in something like slideover windows and a lot of thought about touch support for macOS apps.
The latest M4 Pro is already there hardware wise.
It’s nice having a device I sync zero data to where I can turn off any auto lock feature.
I use it this way to learn stuff like guitar or cooking where I can freeze the screen when needed without it annoyingly locking.
I use it in the same way to monitor jobs when I don’t want to do it on my computer for whatever reason.
This in top of the basic stuff like movies on a plane.
The interesting thing is that I go through periods where I don’t even turn it on, but then when I need it I really need it.
> If iPad owners get access to macOS thrown in for free, then Mac sales will undoubtedly take a major hit.
In 2022, iPad and iPad Mini were the #1 and #2 top-selling Apple tablets, followed by iPad Pro and iPad Air, https://x.com/fjeronimo/status/1531205164278890496
VMs on iPad would likely be limited to high RAM (16GB) devices with 1TB storage on ~$2K iPad Pro. What percentage of global iPad sales are 1TB iPad Pros? If entry level iPads cannot run VMs due to lack of RAM and silicon support for nested virtualization, they can't "compete" with Macbooks.
Let's remember that iOS was derived from macOS and some iOS features (e.g. APFS) have been added to macOS, along with the ability to run iOS apps on macOS. Apple could create yet another OS subset (cOS) for headless/CLI server apps running in VMs on macOS and iOS, without iOS restrictions. This would allow local development on high-end iPad Pros.
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My kids seem to agree with this, they have a mbp and are asking for another laptop. They've never asked for another tablet and we got rid of the old one.
What I do own and use often is a Surface Go 3 with 10.5" 3:2 aspect touch screen--though I rarely touch the screen. Drawing diagrams with the stylus is nice though. I once solved a math problem with the 'pencil' on it. It's just the smallest, lightest laptop-like thing that runs a real OS (even if that's Windows/WSL2).
Safari still works, it runs the games my wife downloads. It can print to our printer. Mission accomplished.
Appliance. Like the toaster oven.
Think the bulk of tablet use is fairly resource light; nowhere near the scale of multitasking going on as there is on phones. I've a ten year old Android one that's still pretty usable for me (OLED screen so mainly reading and media; it struggles with the web unless you've adblockers and whatnot though)