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To quote Twitter/X, "I wonder what OpenAI will release tomorrow and Google will release a waitlist for."

GPT-4o: out

Veo: waitlist

Admittedly this is impressive and the direct comp would be Sora, which isn't out, but sometimes the caricature is very close to the truth.

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Then again Veo is in the same category as Sora, which isn't released either, 3 months after the reveal.

OpenAI hardly released gpt-4o. The demo yesterday was clearly a rushed response to I/O. It’s quite possible that Google will ship multi-modality features faster than OpenAI will.

Yeah I think at this point it's "not if, but when" and the gap between parity is just going to keep shrinking (until/unless there's some kind of copyright/legislative barrier implemented that favors one or the other).

"We have no moat" swings both ways.

Which one of these products Google are releasing that you can trust will even be around in a year or two? I'm certainly done trusting Google with new products.

Without doing anything, I have access to GPT-4o in chatgpt and the api already (on a personal account, not related to work). Maybe I’m just super lucky, but it’s certainly not vaporware.

What do you mean? Everyone has access to the gpt-4o model right now through ChatGPT and the API. Sure we don't have voice-to-voice but we have a lot more than what Google has promised.

How do I get access? I just checked my app and the Premium upgrade says it will unlocked GPT-3.5 and GPT-4, so I assume my version is still the old one.

All my apps are updated in the App Store too.

I have a paid account, and I didn't have to do anything to use the new model.

I just checked, there was an iOS app update available and it enabled it. I'd check again if there's a new update (version 1.2024.129). Or you could use the website.

I'm on the same version and don't see anything different

Website also only has toggle for 3.5 and 4 with the Plus upgrade. Not sure if it's cause I'm in Canada?

I use their website and it's one of the three models to choose from if your are on plus subscription.

I have premium access and I can select 4o in the dropdown menu on Android

I have the 4o model. On premium. No voice yet

To add a counterbalance, I just checked in the app and on the website on a non-paid account, and I too do NOT have GPT-4o.

Everyone who says they have access in the replies to my comment seem to be paid users. So maybe it's only rolling out to them first.

I expect they have to offer the paid users some thing

Paid users get like a 5x higher rate limit iirc

My (paid) app has it but no voice chat yet

I have a paid account and can do voice to voice on the iOS app as of last night.

The realtime one they showed yesterday or the one that's existed forever where it's just a voice-to-text input and TTS output taking turns?

I feel silly now. I downloaded the app after the announcement (I'm a desktop user) and it looked identical to the one they show in the sarcasm video. When I asked it, I was told it was not the new feature announced yesterday. Still a lot of fun!

Edit - it does list the new model in my app at least

In the App Store there's a new build of the iOS app as of 3 hours about (call it about 11am US Pacific time). It includes the GPT-4o model (at least it shows it for me.)

Are you a paid user?

Yes

It is not available on my (free) account in either the app or the website. So no, everyone does not have access to it.

It's for paid users for now, not free. I have ChatGPT Pro and I can use the new model.

I am a free user and I have 4o. I think it is just a gradual roll out.

That sounds about right, it just seemed that everyone who replied above who had access to the new model were paid users.

API yes, ChatGPT no (at least not for all users); I've got my own web interface for the API so I can play with the model (for all of $0.045 of API fees), but most people can't be bothered with that and will only get 4o when it rolls out as far as their specific ChatGPT account.

Was running just fine on my ChatGPT client on iOS - full 2-way voice comms by 3:00 PM yesterday. Application was already updated.

I have a regular ChatGPT Pro account and I have GPT-4o.

The bigger issue is that 4o without the multi-modal, new speech capabilities or desktop app isn't that different to GPT-4. And those things aren't yet launched.

Posted further down the thread - I have a paid account and can do voice to voice on the iOS app as of last night.

I don't have access to gpt-4o via ChatGPT

listen all these guys out here attacking Google and making outlandish/false claims

look at their linkedin pages, that will tell you why they are desperate

(hint: they bought OpenAI bags on the secondary market)

To be fair, all the voice stuff OpenAI demoed isn't released yet either.

Except gpt-4o with audio and video inputs isn’t actually out

I was using it yesterday in the mobile app. Unless they just slapped the new UI on an older model.

It’s no longer there, I think?

I think they (partially?) rolled it back. I tried out the voice input yesterday, but it’s missing from the app today.

They just released the text chat model which still uses the same old audio interface as 4. The new audio/video chat stuff is not out yet (unless you are a very lucky early beta user).

> GPT-4o: out

I don't know what's wrong with GPT-4o, but the answers I'm getting are much worse than before yesterday. It's constantly repeating the entire content required to provide a seemingly "full" answer, but if it passes me the same but slightly modified Python code for the fifth time even if it has become irrelevant to the current conversation, it really gets on my nerves.

I had so well tuned custom instructions which worked beautifully and now it's as if it is ignoring most of them.

It's causing me frustration and really wasting my time when I have to wait for the unnecessary long answers to finish.

Sora is the closest comparison to Veo and both aren't out.

It's been there for three months and still isn't even close to being released and available.

Essentially Google has already caught up to OpenAI with their recent responses and it's clear that there are private OpenAI investors pushing such nonsense around Google struggling to compete.

This is Google for the last 5+ IOs. They just release waitlists and demos that are leapfrogged by the time they're available to all. (and shut down a few years later)

Cite sources?

> GPT-4o: out

Is it? I can't use it yet at least

I am also wondering how to use it..

It is. I've got it already, but I'm a bit of a gpt4 power user. I hit my rate limit biweekly or so and run up close to it every day. I'd bet maybe they prioritized people that were costing them money.

It might be just by sign-up order. I signed up for pro basically as soon as I could, but I never hit limits, and only really use it once or twice a day, sometimes not at all.

Interestingly, when I use Cloudflare's Warp DNS I don't have access to it. So, it might have something to do w/ region as well?

Really? You have the new model, sure, I have it too, but afaik nobody has the new ultra fast and variable voice + video chat on mobile.

The original question asked if anyone had GPT-4o. You're asking a different question.

GPT-4o is available for me on ChatGPT, with the text+attachment input (as a Plus user from Germany). It's crazy fast. The voice for the audio conversation in the app is still the old one, and doesn't let you interrupt it.

I haven’t been able to try out 4o. The voice chat continuously says there’s too much traffic and I don’t even see a button to turn on the camera

I can't even join the waitlist from Europe while 4o is fully available here.

Google Press: This is the greatest AI Model ever yet.

Users: Lol it wont even tell me how to draw a picture of a human because its inappropriate.

Google flipped like a switch a few years ago. Instead of going for product quality, it seems they went full Apple Marketing and control the narrative of top social media.

I keep trying thinking: "well its Google, they will be the best right?" No, I'm at giving up on Google, they are not as powerful as I once thought... Hmm seems like a good time to get into Lobbying and Marketing...

Google is scared of what every new model can produce, they don't want drama but they always end up in some kind of media drama.

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