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I would really like to buy a Mustang EV, but I don't want to pay the $20,000 above sticker the dealership is trying to charge at 7.99% interest. Not a mystery why these things aren't moving.

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Genuinely curious as to why? Is it just the name/brand? Do you intend to own it for very long? IMO you stack the mach-e up to anything that is price or feature comparable (ICE or EV) and it's nothing but alarm bells. The common attributes among happy mach-e buyers in my experience is that they 1) hate tesla 2) just want to go fast 3) lease a new car every 3 years and most importantly 4) are susceptible to salesmen (See #3).

F150 Lightning EV is another story; it's a good platform although I have no idea why they made the acceleration curves so awful; It "drives like a truck" but I am not paying it a compliment there; the simulated engine/transmission lag is just the worst. You also basically still can't buy it so there's also that.

Ford has a very long way to go.

I tried to drive one. The huge screen seems to be a mistake. The car had none of the smart features of the Korean cars.

Why would anyone buy one while clearly better EVs exist? The car itself seems so boring when compared with for instance a Kia.

I don't understand this. Batteries may be better on the environment than gas, but they are impact-free. If you care about the environment, get the smallest car you can manage with. A larger battery means you are using more resources thus slowing down the number of electric cars that can get built. You are burning energy just dragging that larger batter around. Get a small car for city driving. Rent a gas car when you need the range.

If it's just a toy, then it's just better to not buy it at all. And if you don't care about the environment why care if it's electric?

I don't have the numbers on hand, but I'm certain a used Smart car is better for the planet than buying a new Tesla.

You’ve made so many bad assumptions I don’t know where to start.

What if you need seats for 5? What if you care about the environment but also want to have fun? What if it’s about the acceleration of an EV that is enticing?

> What if you need seats for 5?

Well, I did say:

>> get the smallest car you can manage with

If you actually "need" 5 seats, then you cannot "manage" with less.

And what if a mustang is the perfect size? What is there to not understand?

If we're going to follow that reductio ad absurdum, I live in a city why not just take the bus? But walking is only a few miles, why not just walk? Don't buy a house because it's an inefficient waste of space, resources, and energy. Live in a studio apartment under 300sq ft, enough for a bed and a desk. Buying food seems unnecessary when I can have planters and some chickens out back.

I like the Mustang, electricity where I live is already generated above 90% by renewables, despite transit my quality of life is improved with a vehicle. The environment is a nice side effect.

> why not just take the bus? But walking is only a few miles, why not just walk? Don't buy a house because it's an inefficient waste of space, resources, and energy. Live in a studio apartment under 300sq ft, enough for a bed and a desk. Buying food seems unnecessary when I can have planters and some chickens out back.

That sounds like a wonderful life; I wish you the best of luck in pursuing it, and must admit I feel a bit jealous.

> The environment is a nice side effect.

So you don't really care about the environment, not really strongly at least, at least you are honest about it. I respect that.

> why not just take the bus?

I do take the bus, and have resisted getting a car, managing with Uber Green when necessary.

> why not just walk?

I do when I can, it's not practical for time and/or safety reasons, but it is ideal.

> Don't buy a house because it's an inefficient waste of space, resources, and energy.

This!!! God are single family dwellings the worst blight on the earth. They just shit suburban sprawl on the green earth. So much waste. Don't get my started on lawns. No reuse of infrastructure for heating or cooling. Just bad.

> Live in a studio apartment under 300sq ft, enough for a bed and a desk.

Actually this is just under 350 sq ft and just beautiful and luxurious: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WB2-2j9e4co

Not to mention the dealerships don't want to sell these things, they fear the changes Ford wants to implement with structure to pricing and the whole dealership concept.

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