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Exactly, the flushing effect. Which you can also feel when you do some forms of meditation :)

You have no physical sensors that would allow you to "feel" events up there.

by what sense does one 'feel' tired?

Not literally, though 'feeling' does a lot of work in that sentence and rightly so. You don't exactly have a physical sensor to 'feel' sad either, which also happens up there mostly, but still people usually accept that we can 'feel' the experience of sadness.

Becoming aware of mental states influencing perception is how you register events up there (using meditation), which is what 'feeling' means in this context.

You can also feel things which don't exist, or not feel thing which exist, that's not really a basis for scientific discussions

Your eyes can't feel infrared yet they exist, and your eyes can be tricked into feeling movement when there is none (optical illusions)

I can find you people who feel the influence of Saturn on their mood...

I'm always wary of people using scientific lingo to "prove" their "feelings"; "flushing", "waves", "energy", "toxins", it's way too easy to fall into new age mumbo jumbo

It seems you don't trust your capacity for feeling. You need to develop that more, then maybe you will understand.

What you say is common among people who have not learned yet

Yes, I literally feel the flushing. And I also hear what you say about becoming aware of subtleness to expand your awareness.

This can also include physical sensations (not saying it’s the same thing as flushing, but), such as: feeling your heartbeat, feeling your blood pumping around. All of which I’m aware of, but I wasn’t before.

Thank you for your supportive comment :)

This seems like a pretty strong claim. What do you mean by physical sensors?

How does the body "up there" manage itself without being able to sense and interact with the physical (and chemical) world?

Sensors? Heh :) Well, however I am able to do this, I do it. And I feel it. And you don't know. So, your model must be wrong.

You’re probably just looking to feel better about how your sleep is not good, so you don’t want to see someone validating sleep effects are useful, or saying you could fix that by doing something else. I get you don’t want to believe this, but my direct experience trumps your belief.

But what you got to remember, is what you don’t have, is any ability at all to determine what physical senses or experiences or feelings or capabilities anyone else can have. You can only know yourself. And if you're coming from a limited point of view, it would be abusive to try to impose that to invalidate someone else, who’s coming from a broader perspective. Hahahaha! :)

I'm curious - do you have a physical sensation when this happens to you? Is there any evidence to support this claim? I ask because I often feel similar to brushing my teeth when I meditate, it's hard to explain though.

I can relate, but I interpret it as mental cleaning. Letting go of garbage thoughts etc, not literal toxins through the blood, but I assume it also helps this process, by relieving of stress. A body under stress works intentionally different, than a relaxed body. (Stress means some kind of threat, not the time to do cleaning)

Hm, there's that, sure. But I get it physically tho, too. I actually feel this: the pumping. It's only a certain type of focus tho. You may not yet have attained it, or perhaps not everyone is physically capable. But I'm happy to try to teach you to do it: reach out to me heh :)

Brushing your teeth? That's interesting heh! :)

On that: a buzzing sensation in your teeth? Yeah, I can relate. I think it's down to increased sensitivity to the nerves in your teeth that you normally don't pay attention to, but can be apparent when modifying your attention as in meditation. It could be something else, tho! :)

To your question on me: I feel this physically. This is not a 'claim', it's evidence: that I'm saying this to you.

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